Should all buildings without cavity be lime plastered and rendered?

irish_spread

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Can you show me more pictures of these 6" walls you speak of. I hate to say this but you are INCREDIBLY thick. It's probably one of the most BASIC things that even a plasterers labourer , ,maybe even a skimmer would know.

Not only did you show your complete lack of knowledge of what you are talking about, but you also posted a pic of this 6" wall you were explaining to me, to try and make ME look stupid.
The more you comment on this, the more stupid you look .
For I was you, to try and save face, I'd give up commenting and stop digging an even bigger hole for yourself
 

flynnyman

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Its a example of how it is built (the bond) thought you didnt know may be you would recognise this one a bit better its got a load of sand and cement falling off it
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Why is it falling off?
 

Vincey

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This is the problem though when it comes to discussing lime , everyone get all hooty snooty , the op asked a simple question but he gets looked down upon as he isn't a user of it ,
I had a similar discussion myself this week with a lime specialist, within the first few sentences of the discussion he starts going on about how much knowledge is needed and that no one uses his techniques

Ffs i can spread anything tbh all I need is a hawk and trowel
Pathetic
 

superspread

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irish spread I'm sorry to say this but you don't have a clue what your talking about. Sand and cement on a wall with no cavity is the worse possible thing you could do to a old property. Think you need to take a look at this http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/ten/tenways.htm People like yourself are giving wrong advice and destroying our old buildings. Please leave this type of work to people who know what they are doing your making it hard for honest people who know what they our doing make a living stick with the multi-finish mate your wellllllll out of your depth
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If the house is built with sand and cement and is solid 9"" can't see a problem with rendering, yes I agree if the house is built in sand and lime ,
 

carys

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Should all buildings with no cavity be lime plastered internally and lime rendered externally so they can breathe?

Might sound like a simple question to most but i've only ever seen/been taught with gypsum products!
No lime render should only be used on stone building unless u go for brethable insulated boards on brick
 

carys

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No lime render should only be used on stone building unless u go for brethable insulated boards on brick
Lime render outside whith lime wash use breathable boards inside so u have a void for the wall to breath but when they used brick most of them wher built whith cement so how can lime breath
 

limeplastering

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Can you show me more pictures of these 6" walls you speak of. I hate to say this but you are INCREDIBLY thick. It's probably one of the most BASIC things that even a plasterers labourer , ,maybe even a skimmer would know.

Not only did you show your complete lack of knowledge of what you are talking about, but you also posted a pic of this 6" wall you were explaining to me, to try and make ME look stupid.
The more you comment on this, the more stupid you look .
For I was you, to try and save face, I'd give up commenting and stop digging an even bigger hole for yourself
If any wall any size is built with out a cavity in sand and lime it MUST not be rendered in sand and cement with waterproofer on the inside by the sound of things you must of never worked on a listed building before if you have never come accross single skinned brick work.
Ps you say you have been doing this 30 years......... 30 years wrong im afraid https://www.spab.org.uk/advice/tech...-1-dealing-with-inappropriate-cement-renders/ i thought the idea of a forum was to have discussions there is no need to get the arse because you have been doing some thing wrong.....every one makes mistakes including myself
 

Vincey

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Is it or was it just down to cost then that people started just using sand and cement instead of lime or is it a educational decline that made the change?
A lot of times I read the lime section posts and think to myself how can have all these buildings of been rendered wrong in such a short period of time , people blame the internet and short courses for the plastering trade being full of skimmers but then at the same time I look around and see renders popping off in a awful state that were done in the early 1970s which was before the internet was around.

What went wrong?
 

irish_spread

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If any wall any size is built with out a cavity in sand and lime it MUST not be rendered in sand and cement with waterproofer on the inside by the sound of things you must of never worked on a listed building before if you have never come accross single skinned brick work.
Ps you say you have been doing this 30 years......... 30 years wrong im afraid https://www.spab.org.uk/advice/tech...-1-dealing-with-inappropriate-cement-renders/ i thought the idea of a forum was to have discussions there is no need to get the arse because you have been doing some thing wrong.....every one makes mistakes including myself

You'll never learn with that attitude young man. Absolute rubbish. Moving the goalposts again by the way, who mentioned listed buildings ????

Once again, if I were you I'd give up now and stop making a fool of yourself .
 

limeplastering

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You'll never learn with that attitude young man. Absolute rubbish. Moving the goalposts again by the way, who mentioned listed buildings ????

Once again, if I were you I'd give up now and stop making a fool of yourself .
Should all buildings without cavity be lime plastered and rendered?
Read the link.
Read the other comments people have made
I mentioned a listed building as we were talking about brick bonds
You keep using the team younge man alot ....is this because you cant teach a old dog new tricks im going to post this one last time for you read it embrace it and go to bed night night..........
Q. Why may a modern cement render be inappropriate for an old building?
A. Because it is incompatible with the construction of most old buildings and can cause or accelerate serious decay. Modern buildings generally depend on an impervious outer layer and cavities to keep out moisture. By contrast, old buildings tend to rely on their permeable nature ('breathability') to allow water absorbed by the fabric to evaporate back out.

There is only one fool here my friend!
 

irish_spread

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You've got something correct about the 1 fool thing.

Ok, so my dad is 78, been plastering since he was 16. What I'll do is let him , and the hundreds of thousands of other plasterers , know they've been doing it wrong for all them years. When he asks me how I've become so enlightened I'll let him know I met someone on a forum that's probably been plastering for 7/8 years and he's shown me some stuff he's read on the Internet. I won't mention copy and pasting to my dad, he's not into that.
I could show him the picture of the single brick 6" wall that's really a 9" one and ask him to comment ?
 

limeplastering

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You've got something correct about the 1 fool thing.

Ok, so my dad is 78, been plastering since he was 16. What I'll do is let him , and the hundreds of thousands of other plasterers , know they've been doing it wrong for all them years. When he asks me how I've become so enlightened I'll let him know I met someone on a forum that's probably been plastering for 7/8 years and he's shown me some stuff he's read on the Internet. I won't mention copy and pasting to my dad, he's not into that.
I could show him the picture of the single brick 6" wall that's really a 9" one and ask him to comment ?
You have a real issue with age and time it means nothing i have been plastering for 15 years and what because you have been for 30 means you have more knowlege my dad and grandfather our plasterers too i dont bang on about that.... do you know why.....because its means NOTHING. My knowlege is hands on not from copying and pasting its from working in listed buildings with conservation officers. If i was to ask my dad about lime hemp plasterers he wouldnt have a clue. If your dad taught you anything about plastering it should of been at least one thing .... you never stop learning how ever old you are theres always something new, and if you cant come to terms with that then im sorry to say but you must be nothing but a sad old miserable git i couldnt give a toss about the picture of the size of the wall its about what you spread up it that counts and if its sand cement in this case its wrong.. FACT
 

irish_spread

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You have a real issue with age and time it means nothing i have been plastering for 15 years and what because you have been for 30 means you have more knowlege my dad and grandfather our plasterers too i dont bang on about that.... do you know why.....because its means NOTHING. My knowlege is hands on not from copying and pasting its from working in listed buildings with conservation officers. If i was to ask my dad about lime hemp plasterers he wouldnt have a clue. If your dad taught you anything about plastering it should of been at least one thing .... you never stop learning how ever old you are theres always something new, and if you cant come to terms with that then im sorry to say but you must be nothing but a sad old miserable git i couldnt give a toss about the picture of the size of the wall its about what you spread up it that counts and if its sand cement in this case its wrong.. FACT

You have done NOTHING else but copy and paste. My dads Irish and it was more common over there to use lime plasters than s and c .So you started plastering at 14 ? I can assure you that when I was 8/9 yrs old my dad used to bring me to work with him so na na na na nah.
I am the FIRST one to agree that every day's a school day and I'm always asking younger lads about modern/silicone renders, regulars on here will confirm that.

Your problem is a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. There were other experts before you @D4mp , sliema Steve etc that were found out as well
This is in the lime section, no one bothers coming in here because it's a bit of a niche area. If you're so confident that only lime can be used on a 9" wall, post it on the general plastering or rendering sections and let see how many agree ?
 

limeplastering

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You have done NOTHING else but copy and paste. My dads Irish and it was more common over there to use lime plasters than s and c .So you started plastering at 14 ? I can assure you that when I was 8/9 yrs old my dad used to bring me to work with him so na na na na nah.
I am the FIRST one to agree that every day's a school day and I'm always asking younger lads about modern/silicone renders, regulars on here will confirm that.

Your problem is a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. There were other experts before you @D4mp , sliema Steve etc that were found out as well
This is in the lime section, no one bothers coming in here because it's a bit of a niche area. If you're so confident that only lime can be used on a 9" wall, post it on the general plastering or rendering sections and let see how many agree ?
How about you pop along to one of our jobs and meet a conservation officer? Or would you like me to post a surveyors report from a previous job? Or how about if you can't be arsed with that you just read this https://www.heritage-house.org/damp...ot/damp-problems-caused-by-cement-render.html
How many articles do you need for proof it's getting boring mate give it up just because you spread skim up the walls for 30 years gives you no more knowledge then the rest of us. Asbestos was put every where in the 70's was that right? Just like sand cement renders and dashes awful....... Are you seriously trying to say that conservation officers, surveyors and all these articles on line our wrong and you and your Irish dad are right?
 

limeplastering

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You have done NOTHING else but copy and paste. My dads Irish and it was more common over there to use lime plasters than s and c .So you started plastering at 14 ? I can assure you that when I was 8/9 yrs old my dad used to bring me to work with him so na na na na nah.
I am the FIRST one to agree that every day's a school day and I'm always asking younger lads about modern/silicone renders, regulars on here will confirm that.

Your problem is a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. There were other experts before you @D4mp , sliema Steve etc that were found out as well
This is in the lime section, no one bothers coming in here because it's a bit of a niche area. If you're so confident that only lime can be used on a 9" wall, post it on the general plastering or rendering sections and let see how many agree ?
and yes all I have done is copied and paste.... What do you want a picture with me hacking of a load of damp sand and cement with a kango or some thing??????
 

irish_spread

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For someone that can't tell the difference between a 9" wall and a 6" (?) you're quite knowledgeable. Especially when you were gracious enough to put up a picture of one to educate me. I'll show my Irish dad, he'll be amazed at how clever you are .

As a matter of interest, is there such a thing as a 9" cavity wall that's single skin ? I have to be honest I'm not sure
 

irish_spread

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Most surveyors say rising damp in brick and stone exists, a lot of people think George bush arranged the twin towers episode, a 29 yr old kid says you can't internally render clay bricks, someone told me recently that boneless chicken cartoon ( you'll remember it) was set up by Burger King to put kfc out of business
 

limeplastering

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ok......... what this then one of my own personal pictures from one of my jobs not google....... you dont come across single cavity walls smashing m2 on site. PS we had to hack of sand and cement and let the building breathe for 5 months...... because some PLEB like yourself put it on it who doesn't have a clue and before any more of your cocky irish banter i think most on here would take the advise over the English heritage building expert who advised to do this over you!!!!!!! One last thing just in case you get confused thats 3 and 3/4 inchs thick OLD MAN
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flynnyman

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ok......... what this then one of my own personal pictures from one of my jobs not google....... you dont come across single cavity walls smashing m2 on site. PS we had to hack of sand and cement and let the building breathe for 5 months...... because some PLEB like yourself put it on it who doesn't have a clue and before any more of your cocky irish banter i think most on here would take the advise over the English heritage building expert who advised to do this over you!!!!!!! One last thing just in case you get confused thats 3 and 3/4 inchs thick OLD MAN
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To be fair I would probably take the advise of Irish heritage building experts :whistle:
 

irish_spread

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ok......... what this then one of my own personal pictures from one of my jobs not google....... you dont come across single cavity walls smashing m2 on site. PS we had to hack of sand and cement and let the building breathe for 5 months...... because some PLEB like yourself put it on it who doesn't have a clue and before any more of your cocky irish banter i think most on here would take the advise over the English heritage building expert who advised to do this over you!!!!!!! One last thing just in case you get confused thats 3 and 3/4 inchs thick OLD MAN
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ok......... what this then one of my own personal pictures from one of my jobs not google....... you dont come across single cavity walls smashing m2 on site. PS we had to hack of sand and cement and let the building breathe for 5 months...... because some PLEB like yourself put it on it who doesn't have a clue and before any more of your cocky irish banter i think most on here would take the advise over the English heritage building expert who advised to do this over you!!!!!!! One last thing just in case you get confused thats 3 and 3/4 inchs thick OLD MAN
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I could put a picture of a dead fish on here and tell you it had drowned.

Looking at the brick bond below the bottom bit of timber looks like a 9" wall, not 3 and three quarters. When I look back at your picture of the 6"" wall that was actually 9" , I'd suggest you buy a better measuring tape .

Also I note that the bricks are in remarkably good condition considering they've had render hacked off them.

Smells fishy to me
Hope this helps.
 
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flynnyman

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I could put a picture of a dead fish on here and tell you it had drowned.

Looking at the brick bond below the bottom bit of timber looks like a 9" wall, not 3 and three quarters. When I look back at your picture of the 6"" wall that was actually 9" , I'd suggest you buy a better measuring tape .

Also I note that the bricks are in remarkably good condition considering they've had render hacked off them.

Smells fishy to me
Hope this helps.
I also thought the bricks were in good condition also the pointing is still there and timbers are very clean, what was hung on them nails in the wall?
 

Vincey

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I also thought the bricks were in good condition also the pointing is still there and timbers are very clean, what was hung on them nails in the wall?
Tbh I normally use a Bosch breaker leaves little imprints in the bricks but having said that on some really bad ones they have just fallen off or even scraped off , in older buildings the down pipes were nailed in , maybe that ?
But tbf it's a weird place for a down pipe
 

flynnyman

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If the render had fell off in sheets there was a problem with the mix and it hasn't adhered, I recon it was clad :)
 

irish_spread

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I've got trowels older than this expert, I kid you not.

There have been a few on here, @D4mp and others, obviously given up the old Bull.

As he has shown, he doesn't know the difference between a 9" solid and a 6"solid. He has provided pictures of his superior "knowledge"

He doesn't know the difference, I won't lie I've never heard of these bricks, probably it's because I'm an OLD MAN and a PLEB because I've never seen a 3 and 3/4 " brick that is 9" + thick.

Also the bricks he hacked the render off, that was put on by an Irish cocky pleb like me looked in remarkably good condition, maybe all plebs should temporarily clad bricks like this

Maybe I will ask Engerlandish heritage for advice, they may give me your number.

I'm sorry young man, when I was your age I was actively looking for advice, not talking poo.
Try Plasterers Talk Group , you'll feel at home

Regards
An old Irish man X
 
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