Exactly mate,, NVQ;s are a load of bollox, Ive got loads of them.. however you gotta do em to get on certain jobs.. and they impress joe public....The labourer i use now and again was on the dole for a while and he got sent to one of the local training compaines and they turned up at 9am sat around till lunch doing nowt and got sent home. He had to do this for 3 weeks and on his last day he did the cscs test on the computer and got his card. The training company wanna keep you there as long as possible to milk the government system. He then progressed to another course at the college for 2 weeks learning how to right a CV...........................:rolleyes)
I'm having a similar prob with the cscs bandits and the agency's are really doing there best to pay peanuts to tradesmen.I'm a time served plasterer and was looking for site work as my work has dried up and last job got cancelled.
Agency wants nvq level 2 or city and guilds.
How the hell do I get this for the cscs card to get on site.
The agency guy said I'm probably a better plasterer than those with the nvq but they are getting really fussy now!!!!!!
I just want to work!!!!!!!
Is there a short cut or am I **** out of luck??
Agreed but the cscs card scheme is based around health & safety and has very little to proving "hand on" skill sets with regard to gold card holders?We keep moaning about people with no quals then moaning you need them lol having quals doesn't necessarily mean your a good spread but at least your qualified. The CSCS card is a must on site now and it won't be long before gold is the accepted standard and wages will be based around the colour of your card especially were agencies are involved. Insurance is another thing on site your staff need a cscs card to bring the insurance down for the contractors as he has a more qualified work force it won't be long before public liability get onto it for the domestic market then Hopefully the customer will want to see it on the domestic market not all but some
It does both it proves you have passed a h&s test and it has your quals on the back which is better than nothing. If you had done an apprenticeship at the end you were skill tested for two days which gets you your indentured apprenticeship so yes a gold card if gotten the right way does prove your worthy but you should know that going off your name lolAgreed but the cscs card scheme is based around health & safety and has very little to proving "hand on" skill sets with regard to gold card holders?
It is a purely a "paper qualifications" system and doesn't allow for any practical show of skills, i.e citb inspector comes out to view you at a job doing a float n set session or running a cornice in situ and awards a pass on your actual trowel skills?
So in theory it proves very little apart from the fact the card holder has a good understanding of health and safety regs and a basic grasp on common sense?
Main point of argument here is this, I'll challenge anyone to show me proof that green blue or whatever cscs card will give you a better hourly rate or price on a site?It does both it proves you have passed a h&s test and it has your quals on the back which is better than nothing. If you had done an apprenticeship at the end you were skill tested for two days which gets you your indentured apprenticeship so yes a gold card if gotten the right way does prove your worthy but you should know that going off your name lol
Its absolute bullshite but Most sites do require trade specific cscs cards.Guys, an interesting thread which has got me thinking.
I've not got any accredited quals in the trade other than two certificates in basic and intermediate plastering skills which are not nvq 2 level (I think). So according to the cscs site, I could apply for an experienced workers card? However, I do have a hnd in electrical engineering so could, according to cscs apply or an 'academically qualified' card, amongst others.
My point is, does it matter what card I have? I could quite happily carry out first and second fix and then float/board and finish a job..... If I get a cscs card on the back of my electrical quals, could I use it to get plastering work on sites????? Or vise versa for that matter.
probably won't ever do site work but you never know, if viable maybe worth investigating.
when you say trade specific card, do you mean specific named qualifications on the back, ie, nvq2/3 in solid plastering etc?Its absolute bullshite but Most sites do require trade specific cscs cards.
I've seen a top notch spread thrown off a job for only having a basic labourers card.
Also as theres an army of nvq assessors out there with less and less men to assess, it wouldn't suprise me if soon nvq2's will no longer be sufficient and everyone will be forced into doing a level 3.
to provide jobs for the boys for a few more years.
I've sent cscs an email, asking what is required if you're offering services for more than one trade. My long term plan is to offer electrical and plastering services.....I have loads of quals in the electrical game but only experience and a couple of **** course certificates in plastering....be interested to hear what they have to say, according to the website, without an indentured apprenticeship I'd have to apply for the annual card whilst 'training' towards a level 2 plastering award!Yes mate. Most main contractors seem to be looking out for this now.
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