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imago said:
On a serious note, there's no need to work for free. I don't so I wouldn't expect anyone else to. It'll be a normal paying job for anyone working on it, that way it's business as usual with a social element.
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He wants to so let him, I'll have his wages :sisi:
 
Nisus said:
He wants to so let him, I'll have his wages :sisi:
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No chance! If everyone gets paid it'll satisfy the PF Right Wing Party, and if everyone gets paid the same it'll satisfy the PF Socialist Party. I'll have enough hassle being the only builder in the group without having Capitalists and/or Socialists after my blood. (y)
 
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imago said:
No argument from me on that score. It's making an informed choice based on what you can see and experience. It's the blanket statement that it's OK to overboard with no thought never mind looking in the loft at joists to see what's what that I take issue with.

Well, that and storing motorbikes up there. :LOL:
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Obviously you can see I'm informed so know what I'm talking about and made valid points same as you i will say I've never had a problem when I have over boarded
 
Nisus said:
More than @imago pays mate :(
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Cheeky t**t! I paid you to skim four walls in a bedroom at my place and I ended up doing two of them and still paid you your day rate.

Anyway, now that you've reminded me I need to check back through my PM's.:fuckyou:
 
What're you doing on the forum @Nisus ? I thought you'd be 'busy' on a Sunday afternoon? Or are you typing replies while you're up to your nuts in guts?
 
imago said:
Cheeky t**t! I paid you to skim four walls in a bedroom at my place and I ended up doing two of them and still paid you your day rate.

Anyway, now that you've reminded me I need to check back through my PM's.:fuckyou:
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:LOL:
 
Pagey said:
With all that work @imago what are we going to do after first break time
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Make lists, phone people, carry sh1t about, go to the merchants, make tutting noises behind people working, ask what this that or the other is for and why it's needed, ask someone to make tea, complain about the mess. The usual really. :LOL:
 
imago said:
Make lists, phone people, carry sh1t about, go to the merchants, make tutting noises behind people working, ask what this that or the other is for and why it's needed, ask someone to make tea, complain about the mess. The usual really. :LOL:
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Builder stuff then, carry sh1t lol :LOL:
Don't forget your fag breaks & Twitter breaks inbetween all the other work avoiding activities :ROFLMAO:
 
Nisus said:
Builder stuff then, carry sh1t lol :LOL:
Don't forget your fag breaks & Twitter breaks inbetween all the other work avoiding activities :ROFLMAO:
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Yeah, but they're breaks, I was referring to work. I know you get the two confused and do 20 minutes work every four hours. :descansando:
 
imago said:
Make lists, phone people, carry sh1t about, go to the merchants, make tutting noises behind people working, ask what this that or the other is for and why it's needed, ask someone to make tea, complain about the mess. The usual really. :LOL:
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Telling plasterers it's only a little ceiling so it'll only take half hour.
 
imago said:
Just to add, if any ceilings need doing I'll have them down and stripped before any plasterers turn up to start boarding. (y) ;)
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Don't just leave the motorbikes in the hallways, we will need room to get to and fro. Get the clowns to put the bikes outside, out of the way,
 
Dropsalot said:
Don't just leave the motorbikes in the hallways, we will need room to get to and fro. Get the clowns to put the bikes outside, out of the way,
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Like this you mean? :LOL:

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This is the hallway when I lived in Coventry and was refurbing the house.
 
So, to recap......we all go to a big barn out in the country, some wearing cycle shorts, the odd un in a mankini, no motorbikes. Some will skim, some will render ready to skim, some will wander about looking for damp, many will be on their phones, at least one will be filming. A few will be wondering what easifill is and where/why would you need it, some others will explain the method/situation. No-one will be willing to unload materials/load out rooms. Jess and Naomi will not be patronised. Some labourers will have "the hump", at least one young man/woman will need advice/bollocking. Someone will have to make tea, (in a perfect world) Danny will supply the mugs. There will be someone who has brought a pump along, and there will be a semi-forum gathered around it suggesting the best method/setups/pitfalls and whether it was ever necessary anyway. There will be at least one bloke staring at the Miriad of tools on display wondering what half of them are for. No-one will have brought any unifinish, and BG will be conspicuous in their absence.
Am I close??? haha
 
Dropsalot said:
So, to recap......we all go to a big barn out in the country, some wearing cycle shorts, the odd un in a mankini, no motorbikes. Some will skim, some will render ready to skim, some will wander about looking for damp, many will be on their phones, at least one will be filming. A few will be wondering what easifill is and where/why would you need it, some others will explain the method/situation. No-one will be willing to unload materials/load out rooms. Jess and Naomi will not be patronised. Some labourers will have "the hump", at least one young man/woman will need advice/bollocking. Someone will have to make tea, (in a perfect world) Danny will supply the mugs. There will be someone who has brought a pump along, and there will be a semi-forum gathered around it suggesting the best method/setups/pitfalls and whether it was ever necessary anyway. There will be at least one bloke staring at the Miriad of tools on display wondering what half of them are for. No-one will have brought any unifinish, and BG will be conspicuous in their absence.
Am I close??? haha
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And flynny and Vince will be unleashing all that sexual tension between themselves that's been boiling up with them for last couple of years
 
Kitchy said:
And flynny and Vince will be unleashing all that sexual tension between themselves that's been boiling up with them for last couple of years
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"Who the fcuk spilt all this brown wallpaper paste?" o_O

"It's not wallpaper paste." :eek: :sick:
 
imago said:
1) So when you board and skim?
2) Good point, up until 1985 when graded timber was introduced no calculations were done for joists. Which is why floor joists in older properties were larger than after 1985. For loft/ceiling joists were simply worked as the smallest they could get away with carrying the ceiling. Increasing the load on those could be fine, it could be doubling the load, it could be a greater increase. After 1985 ceiling joists were calculated to carry only the dead load imposed as there was to be no live load. So overboarding and skimming those ceilings will double the design load. In either case (pre or post 1985) it's the very definition of overloading.
3)Loads are overloaded, very few collapse, and I doubt any of them will be life threatening unless there's a motorbike in the loft. Chipboards or floorboards nailed or screwed onto joists don't spread the load, they increase the thickness of the joist increasing it's rigidity and resisting compression along the top face of the joist. That aside, your question is basically 'people frequently get away with doing something they shouldn't, so will it be OK for me to do it?'

Angry? I'm probably one of the least angry people you'd ever meet.

When this all came up the first time, and also this time, I'm merely pointing out that it isn't the way it should be done and the reasons. If the customer wants it doing that way for cost reasons then so be it, but they should have the choice/information. As you mention using bonding to straighten a ceiling, it needs straightening because the joists have bowed. They have bowed because of the load on them. Surely you can see that the answer isn't going to be to add more/double the weight on them?

Everyone in the building game has done things which are either not correct or a shortcut. If you and the customer know why and what's involved that's an informed choice. If you do it without thinking about it or knowing what the possible outcomes are that's just shoddy DIY.
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