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FreeD said:
You taking the piss...if you are not making good money using a machine and spraying mono you are doing something wrong.
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theplasterman said:
Think this is the point a want to make is as a business what ever it is you do you have to make lets say £750 -£1000 a week to live after tax.
Plasterers struggle to say to a customer a hourly rate of £25 cuz alot of public don't see them as a business and the plasterers that aren't really plasterers will go in at £80 a day which leaves 'proper' business plasterers degraded..which is probably why course's are scene as ' bad' CUs they are presumed as the ones going in at that kind of price,which is all part of the crazy trade world a electrician can do the plastering but the plasterer won't touch the electrics.. There's no way to stop it, all you can do is stick to what you know is right otherwise you might as well do nails training and get £25 a hour.
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That money thing was exactly the point i made in another thread saying
I now earn less than i did 10 years ago.ok so lets not go deep into costs as they do vary in the uk.
But this simple equation i look at and its out their for the public to view.
If you look at hourly rate for plasterers on job centre,so a days work on a domestic x8 hrs + materials i lose loads of jobs to guys working on ,i mrs i will do job for £60 a shift. Fact, as i have seen the chat by some of them on sh***book. In my area everyone is a plasterer,it is supply and demand and it has all changed years ago people would get you on a referal but not now, the cost of the job is all that matters to the vast majority of customers.so basically you would get paid more just turning up with an agency than doing a days work on a domestic when guys are taking near minimum wage. I do good work,have a good reputation,know how to deal with customers,new van and all the baggage that comes with it.
You just shake your head at times and say who the fu** is doing it for that price.(y)
 
A bloke in my street did a course at gt went & got a van got it all sign written got a website all the tools. Set up a facebook page aswell, with some pictures of 1 room he'd done for a relative & it looked a rite mess. :sorprendido3:
Then he did a Krend course there not long after & then put on his facebook page "we are now Krend qualified" :eek:
Anyway he couldn't get any work & gave up less than 12months after his course. Shame really because he spent all his redundancy money on the course, van, tools & website etc. I knew he wouldn't last long & there is hundreds if not thousands out there exactly the same as him.
 
Nisus said:
A bloke in my street did a course at gt went & got a van got it all sign written got a website all the tools. Set up a facebook page aswell, with some pictures of 1 room he'd done for a relative & it looked a rite mess. :sorprendido3:
Then he did a Krend course there not long after & then put on his facebook page "we are now Krend qualified" :eek:
Anyway he couldn't get any work & gave up less than 12months after his course. Shame really because he spent all his redundancy money on the course, van, tools & website etc. I knew he wouldn't last long & there is hundreds if not thousands out there exactly the same as him.
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Agreed if you cant do the job your gonna come unstuck and these courses from what i can gather stick you in a booth doing a limited area on favourable backings n conditions ,well thats not the real world so without a great deal of luck or perhaps just natural skill your gonna come unstuck and in many cases so is the shoite you were chucking on :llorando:.
Feck em your always gonna have chancers and shoite work out there it generally creates work for others never nice going over it but most of my work is refurbs and im continually going over it and glad of the work and showing clients how things should look. I guess just need take pride in what your doing and remember its all the shoite that makes your work shine :birra:and some people will always try cheap and get cheap and others have some pride and respect and therefore get it (y).I dont lose any sleep over it .
 
A.plasterer said:
from what i can gather stick you in a booth doing a limited area on favourable backings n conditions
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Yes 99% of courses are like that but GT is not... the walls are pissed the windows are twisted and the bays are a decent size...

Until proper apprenticeships come back and colleges up the anti and also allow older people to go on them then courses are here to stay.....
 
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Yes 99% of courses are like that but GT is not... the walls are pissed the windows are twisted and the bays are a decent size...

so they do carpentry and bricklaying courses too :sorprendido3::estudioso:
 
Dont know what they are? .I did a Y.T.S (youth training scheme) it was for two years . How the fook is anyone suposed to learn a trade in that time . Spent the first 6 months labouring as i had to learn that first before i could.start on the tools . Managed to get all the basics and a good work ethic before the firm i was with finished ,leaving me all alone in the big bad world but managed to get in with some good blokes ,kept my mouth shut and my head down and got some experiance and learnt loads. It was a stuggle but that was the only way at the time . The thing i dont get about the courses of today is that they can teach you a skill of sorts but they dont teach you how to work.(if that makes sence) there is more to plastering than chucking multi over some artex and it does bug me that my trade did not come easy and i see others who take a short route to gain limited skills and call themselfs plasterers . We are all trying to make a living as honestly as we can and good luck to those who are . The world of work is ever changing and i would love to go back to a time of bound apprentises but those days have gone in plastering . It is unregulated and seen as low skilled. The new growth in plasteting is training people on short courses and charging lots of money to do a job very few will succeed in .
 
The problem with the courses is most of its bullshit and slight of hand, they promise you your own business and get you to skim a wall like glass. If your daft enough or desperate enough these guys will take your money. The problem also lies with the coursee who is usually looking for a quick and easy buck and is not prepared to work hard for it, usually the reason they have found themselves in this position. I have been to GT to do the Venetian and to be fair to that training courses they have a good set up. What they teach as regards promising the earth I couldn't comment but like what's been said a lot of people come away from these centres with a spring in their step and a head full of magic. I had a lad with me for the day who has been to one and went to do his first wall at home and suddenly realised he hadn't been shown how to mix lol they had someone mixing for them. Bring back the C&G and full apprenticeships and make them free to the employer that's the only way it will ever work :)
 
Oh my god someone with a good word to say about goldtrowel.....well done flynny you old coureser you:maraca:
 
But i can understand in to days world why people go down this road ,i read a lot that say "join a good gang " but tbh most have not got the time to help out, or teach someone that will one day compete against them
 
flynnyman said:
The problem with the courses is most of its bullshit and slight of hand, they promise you your own business and get you to skim a wall like glass. If your daft enough or desperate enough these guys will take your money. The problem also lies with the coursee who is usually looking for a quick and easy buck and is not prepared to work hard for it, usually the reason they have found themselves in this position. I have been to GT to do the Venetian and to be fair to that training courses they have a good set up. What they teach as regards promising the earth I couldn't comment but like what's been said a lot of people come away from these centres with a spring in their step and a head full of magic. I had a lad with me for the day who has been to one and went to do his first wall at home and suddenly realised he hadn't been shown how to mix lol they had someone mixing for them. Bring back the C&G and full apprenticeships and make them free to the employer that's the only way it will ever work :)
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There are so many variables as to the route to becoming a quality spread you would be a thick c**t to say one way is better than another as it depends on the teaching and attitude.

The building trade is full of rough c**ts simply because many have a I don't give a f**k attitude which isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
keithuk said:
But i can understand in to days world why people go down this road ,i read a lot that say "join a good gang " but tbh most have not got the time to help out, or teach someone that will one day compete against them
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The days of me training someone up to compete against me are over, unless someone pays their wages :)
 
Marshy said:
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Jesus do they wipe their trowels on their clothes!? Thought women liked to be clean and tidy !?? o_O
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They are the site skimmers of the future....dont say anything sexist:sorprendido3: my wifes dirty as f**k but not got much to do with her clothes or her plastering(y)
 
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