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Dear Mos, Congratulations for staying the course and taking the stick. The peeps on here clearly appreciate it and have been unusually open about costs & pricing, especially pricing to asians, who on the whole (irrespective of generation) think they know the price of everything and know the value of nothing. That's not meant to be racist, it's just a very widely experienced fact. You have much to learn, but you sound like an ok guy who can. I hope the following helps set things in context;
Much as I genuinely like some of them personally, I have asian clients who just cannot help themselves. One couple are in the millionaire bracket but still had to mention "budget" etc etc to me.
You went to college and did a difficult degree, well done - you are therefore an academic, fact.
Using your own declared income £2100/mnth, the total annual salary cost to your employer, is £42,718, so that's £137/day for 6 days a week 52 weeks a year - and yet you propose to pay less than your own rate, and expect to get a skilled, experienced and time-served tradesman, ignoring his/her overheads, hols, accountant, business account bank charges, reduced working life compared to white collar, and downtime when sick or just don't have any work.

Now, do you feel that you are worth more than them, or expect them to have a lower income and lifestyle than yourself, and why? Is it 'coz you is an academic and a professional 'an whatnot, 'an better than them? (Ali G Unquote)
Or will you claim supply and demand justifies it, and yet complain when you cannot get tradesmen because you are not willing to accept the argument applies to both ways?

Re Trade discounts - Opticians trade prices for spec frames & lenses are peanuts - open secret, but would you expect them pass on this benefit to their customers, and yet you expect the trades to do so? It is part of their business as much as it is the opticians, and is the result of continued trade and developed relationships.

Forget the expensive pool table, it's just an ego bragging point, you'll never use it, feel good about paying a fair rate and dis-proving the asian cliche. The tradesmen will remember and tell others they once met one who was ok.
 
Brimstone said:
Dear Mos, Congratulations for staying the course and taking the stick. The peeps on here clearly appreciate it and have been unusually open about costs & pricing, especially pricing to asians, who on the whole (irrespective of generation) think they know the price of everything and know the value of nothing. That's not meant to be racist, it's just a very widely experienced fact. You have much to learn, but you sound like an ok guy who can. I hope the following helps set things in context;
Much as I genuinely like some of them personally, I have asian clients who just cannot help themselves. One couple are in the millionaire bracket but still had to mention "budget" etc etc to me.
You went to college and did a difficult degree, well done - you are therefore an academic, fact.
Using your own declared income £2100/mnth, the total annual salary cost to your employer, is £42,718, so that's £137/day for 6 days a week 52 weeks a year - and yet you propose to pay less than your own rate, and expect to get a skilled, experienced and time-served tradesman, ignoring his/her overheads, hols, accountant, business account bank charges, reduced working life compared to white collar, and downtime when sick or just don't have any work.

Now, do you feel that you are worth more than them, or expect them to have a lower income and lifestyle than yourself, and why? Is it 'coz you is an academic and a professional 'an whatnot, 'an better than them? (Ali G Unquote)
Or will you claim supply and demand justifies it, and yet complain when you cannot get tradesmen because you are not willing to accept the argument applies to both ways?

Re Trade discounts - Opticians trade prices for spec frames & lenses are peanuts - open secret, but would you expect them pass on this benefit to their customers, and yet you expect the trades to do so? It is part of their business as much as it is the opticians, and is the result of continued trade and developed relationships.

Forget the expensive pool table, it's just an ego bragging point, you'll never use it, feel good about paying a fair rate and dis-proving the asian cliche. The tradesmen will remember and tell others they once met one who was ok.
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Damn son.

Bye mo
 
Brimstone said:
Dear Mos, Congratulations for staying the course and taking the stick. The peeps on here clearly appreciate it and have been unusually open about costs & pricing, especially pricing to asians, who on the whole (irrespective of generation) think they know the price of everything and know the value of nothing. That's not meant to be racist, it's just a very widely experienced fact. You have much to learn, but you sound like an ok guy who can. I hope the following helps set things in context;
Much as I genuinely like some of them personally, I have asian clients who just cannot help themselves. One couple are in the millionaire bracket but still had to mention "budget" etc etc to me.
You went to college and did a difficult degree, well done - you are therefore an academic, fact.
Using your own declared income £2100/mnth, the total annual salary cost to your employer, is £42,718, so that's £137/day for 6 days a week 52 weeks a year - and yet you propose to pay less than your own rate, and expect to get a skilled, experienced and time-served tradesman, ignoring his/her overheads, hols, accountant, business account bank charges, reduced working life compared to white collar, and downtime when sick or just don't have any work.

Now, do you feel that you are worth more than them, or expect them to have a lower income and lifestyle than yourself, and why? Is it 'coz you is an academic and a professional 'an whatnot, 'an better than them? (Ali G Unquote)
Or will you claim supply and demand justifies it, and yet complain when you cannot get tradesmen because you are not willing to accept the argument applies to both ways?

Re Trade discounts - Opticians trade prices for spec frames & lenses are peanuts - open secret, but would you expect them pass on this benefit to their customers, and yet you expect the trades to do so? It is part of their business as much as it is the opticians, and is the result of continued trade and developed relationships.

Forget the expensive pool table, it's just an ego bragging point, you'll never use it, feel good about paying a fair rate and dis-proving the asian cliche. The tradesmen will remember and tell others they once met one who was ok.
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Wow you sure your a plasterer
 
Brimstone said:
Dear Mos, Congratulations for staying the course and taking the stick. The peeps on here clearly appreciate it and have been unusually open about costs & pricing, especially pricing to asians, who on the whole (irrespective of generation) think they know the price of everything and know the value of nothing. That's not meant to be racist, it's just a very widely experienced fact. You have much to learn, but you sound like an ok guy who can. I hope the following helps set things in context;
Much as I genuinely like some of them personally, I have asian clients who just cannot help themselves. One couple are in the millionaire bracket but still had to mention "budget" etc etc to me.
You went to college and did a difficult degree, well done - you are therefore an academic, fact.
Using your own declared income £2100/mnth, the total annual salary cost to your employer, is £42,718, so that's £137/day for 6 days a week 52 weeks a year - and yet you propose to pay less than your own rate, and expect to get a skilled, experienced and time-served tradesman, ignoring his/her overheads, hols, accountant, business account bank charges, reduced working life compared to white collar, and downtime when sick or just don't have any work.

Now, do you feel that you are worth more than them, or expect them to have a lower income and lifestyle than yourself, and why? Is it 'coz you is an academic and a professional 'an whatnot, 'an better than them? (Ali G Unquote)
Or will you claim supply and demand justifies it, and yet complain when you cannot get tradesmen because you are not willing to accept the argument applies to both ways?

Re Trade discounts - Opticians trade prices for spec frames & lenses are peanuts - open secret, but would you expect them pass on this benefit to their customers, and yet you expect the trades to do so? It is part of their business as much as it is the opticians, and is the result of continued trade and developed relationships.

Forget the expensive pool table, it's just an ego bragging point, you'll never use it, feel good about paying a fair rate and dis-proving the asian cliche. The tradesmen will remember and tell others they once met one who was ok.
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well said brimstone
 
lurpak said:
Damn son.

Bye mo
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Good people,
Brimstone said:
Dear Mos, Congratulations for staying the course and taking the stick. The peeps on here clearly appreciate it and have been unusually open about costs & pricing, especially pricing to asians, who on the whole (irrespective of generation) think they know the price of everything and know the value of nothing. That's not meant to be racist, it's just a very widely experienced fact. You have much to learn, but you sound like an ok guy who can. I hope the following helps set things in context;
Much as I genuinely like some of them personally, I have asian clients who just cannot help themselves. One couple are in the millionaire bracket but still had to mention "budget" etc etc to me.
You went to college and did a difficult degree, well done - you are therefore an academic, fact.
Using your own declared income £2100/mnth, the total annual salary cost to your employer, is £42,718, so that's £137/day for 6 days a week 52 weeks a year - and yet you propose to pay less than your own rate, and expect to get a skilled, experienced and time-served tradesman, ignoring his/her overheads, hols, accountant, business account bank charges, reduced working life compared to white collar, and downtime when sick or just don't have any work.

Now, do you feel that you are worth more than them, or expect them to have a lower income and lifestyle than yourself, and why? Is it 'coz you is an academic and a professional 'an whatnot, 'an better than them? (Ali G Unquote)
Or will you claim supply and demand justifies it, and yet complain when you cannot get tradesmen because you are not willing to accept the argument applies to both ways?

Re Trade discounts - Opticians trade prices for spec frames & lenses are peanuts - open secret, but would you expect them pass on this benefit to their customers, and yet you expect the trades to do so? It is part of their business as much as it is the opticians, and is the result of continued trade and developed relationships.

Forget the expensive pool table, it's just an ego bragging point, you'll never use it, feel good about paying a fair rate and dis-proving the asian cliche. The tradesmen will remember and tell others they once met one who was ok.
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Hi Brimstone

Thank you for taking the time to write an in-depth & considered post. In fact that reminds me, FreeD wrote a helpful piece earlier, so thanks to him too.

I don't mind taking the stick, I'd rather try and earn someone's respect than recieve their offence, so stick has never bothered me.

Budgets in general are important to homeowners. I don't see how Pakistanis are alone in that regard. Yes, some of negotiating tactics in trying to achieve that are crass, dumb or backwards, but the underlying principle applies to everyone. We all haggle when we get a new car or when buying a house for example, but Pakistanis can take it to extremes! Local traders even allow for it- the price is inflated by 10% so it can be reduced by the same when customers asks for a discount. Except restaurants, nobody haggles at a restaurant- they realise it looks desperate in front of an audience.

Yes, point taken about price of everything, value of nothing & the millionaires. Incidentally, many Spreads on here complain of their most affluent customers being the stingiest in contrast to less well-off folk who will tip quite generously, so again not specific to Asians.

Take your point about academic vs trade, but I suspect @lurpak would call anyone who can spell an academic...

I trust your calculations about my daily rate are reasonably accurate, however, they are irrelevant. What I would pay for good Plasterer is entirely to to do with the market for Plasterers, not Opticians! I do hope that this does not belie your policy on pricing- jack up the the price for customers if they look like their doing well? Your pricing should not be relative to what I earn as an individual, surely? If that was the case, and everybody did it, Taxi drivers would charge different folk different prices for the same fare.

As an aside, Taxi drivers are interesting case study actually. In cities like Leeds where there has been massive influx of Asian cab drivers, the cost of a taxi has declined quite dramatically over the years. It's these same people that we're talking about. Wages going down, from their perspective they might think everyone's in the same boat, so it's okay to try and plead poverty to a tradesman. Not a defence, just an insight.

Supply & demand works both ways, no argument. I heard a piece on Radio 4 recently "do bricklayers earn more than doctors?" Didn't suprise me in the slightest.

Glassesdirect.com offer the same designer specs at a fraction of the price. I applaud them. However if everyone used them, or asked Boots & Specsavers to match their prices, you would put bricks & mortar practices out of business.The business model would then change so that you pay a fee for professional services- ie just the sight test. Currently you pay £15 or it might even be free. You may find then that it costs £75 or whatever.
The cheapest way to get prescription designer glasses today is to get your eye test done at Specsavers for free and send the optical prescription to an online vendor. You'll pay about £100 Vs £300.

Do you hear opticians complaining about it? Not really, its just the market, margins get squeezed from every direction, it up to you to innovate, or increase productivity or increase quality to survive.

I'm happy to pay a Plasterer whatever they ask so long as it's reasonable. I don't consider £4400 reasonable for the job, so I'm not paying that. Going by the advice I've received, £2k is about right for the job. I have someone lined up as I say. But my complaint was that I was only attracting silly quotes some far too low, others so tight the guys decide not to honour them, then one soooo high it seemed punitive.

Anyways I'll next update you with a progress report!
 
Mos said:
Good people,


Hi Brimstone

Thank you for taking the time to write an in-depth & considered post. In fact that reminds me, FreeD wrote a helpful piece earlier, so thanks to him too.

I don't mind taking the stick, I'd rather try and earn someone's respect than recieve their offence, so stick has never bothered me.

Budgets in general are important to homeowners. I don't see how Pakistanis are alone in that regard. Yes, some of negotiating tactics in trying to achieve that are crass, dumb or backwards, but the underlying principle applies to everyone. We all haggle when we get a new car or when buying a house for example, but Pakistanis can take it to extremes! Local traders even allow for it- the price is inflated by 10% so it can be reduced by the same when customers asks for a discount. Except restaurants, nobody haggles at a restaurant- they realise it looks desperate in front of an audience.

Yes, point taken about price of everything, value of nothing & the millionaires. Incidentally, many Spreads on here complain of their most affluent customers being the stingiest in contrast to less well-off folk who will tip quite generously, so again not specific to Asians.

Take your point about academic vs trade, but I suspect @lurpak would call anyone who can spell an academic...

I trust your calculations about my daily rate are reasonably accurate, however, they are irrelevant. What I would pay for good Plasterer is entirely to to do with the market for Plasterers, not Opticians! I do hope that this does not belie your policy on pricing- jack up the the price for customers if they look like their doing well? Your pricing should not be relative to what I earn as an individual, surely? If that was the case, and everybody did it, Taxi drivers would charge different folk different prices for the same fare.

As an aside, Taxi drivers are interesting case study actually. In cities like Leeds where there has been massive influx of Asian cab drivers, the cost of a taxi has declined quite dramatically over the years. It's these same people that we're talking about. Wages going down, from their perspective they might think everyone's in the same boat, so it's okay to try and plead poverty to a tradesman. Not a defence, just an insight.

Supply & demand works both ways, no argument. I heard a piece on Radio 4 recently "do bricklayers earn more than doctors?" Didn't suprise me in the slightest.

Glassesdirect.com offer the same designer specs at a fraction of the price. I applaud them. However if everyone used them, or asked Boots & Specsavers to match their prices, you would put bricks & mortar practices out of business.The business model would then change so that you pay a fee for professional services- ie just the sight test. Currently you pay £15 or it might even be free. You may find then that it costs £75 or whatever.
The cheapest way to get prescription designer glasses today is to get your eye test done at Specsavers for free and send the optical prescription to an online vendor. You'll pay about £100 Vs £300.

Do you hear opticians complaining about it? Not really, its just the market, margins get squeezed from every direction, it up to you to innovate, or increase productivity or increase quality to survive.

I'm happy to pay a Plasterer whatever they ask so long as it's reasonable. I don't consider £4400 reasonable for the job, so I'm not paying that. Going by the advice I've received, £2k is about right for the job. I have someone lined up as I say. But my complaint was that I was only attracting silly quotes some far too low, others so tight the guys decide not to honour them, then one soooo high it seemed punitive.

Anyways I'll next update you with a progress report!
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Don’t tag me kid I’ve been out-earning you since I was 15.
 
But I see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors are beautiful
Like a rainbow
 
All that aside though mo.. You are still going for by far the cheapest prices and thinking that is what the market is dictating.

The market has given you a range in prices (which will affect the quality) and you chose cheapest.. Plastering isn't just plastering, as a Ferrari isn't a Nissan Micra..
 
McBentLegs said:
All that aside though mo.. You are still going for by far the cheapest prices and thinking that is what the market is dictating.

The market has given you a range in prices (which will affect the quality) and you chose cheapest.. Plastering isn't just plastering, as a Ferrari isn't a Nissan Micra..
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@Mos You gonna post some pics up
 
Mos said:
Good people,


Hi Brimstone

Thank you for taking the time to write an in-depth & considered post. In fact that reminds me, FreeD wrote a helpful piece earlier, so thanks to him too.

I don't mind taking the stick, I'd rather try and earn someone's respect than recieve their offence, so stick has never bothered me.

Budgets in general are important to homeowners. I don't see how Pakistanis are alone in that regard. Yes, some of negotiating tactics in trying to achieve that are crass, dumb or backwards, but the underlying principle applies to everyone. We all haggle when we get a new car or when buying a house for example, but Pakistanis can take it to extremes! Local traders even allow for it- the price is inflated by 10% so it can be reduced by the same when customers asks for a discount. Except restaurants, nobody haggles at a restaurant- they realise it looks desperate in front of an audience.

Yes, point taken about price of everything, value of nothing & the millionaires. Incidentally, many Spreads on here complain of their most affluent customers being the stingiest in contrast to less well-off folk who will tip quite generously, so again not specific to Asians.

Take your point about academic vs trade, but I suspect @lurpak would call anyone who can spell an academic...

I trust your calculations about my daily rate are reasonably accurate, however, they are irrelevant. What I would pay for good Plasterer is entirely to to do with the market for Plasterers, not Opticians! I do hope that this does not belie your policy on pricing- jack up the the price for customers if they look like their doing well? Your pricing should not be relative to what I earn as an individual, surely? If that was the case, and everybody did it, Taxi drivers would charge different folk different prices for the same fare.

As an aside, Taxi drivers are interesting case study actually. In cities like Leeds where there has been massive influx of Asian cab drivers, the cost of a taxi has declined quite dramatically over the years. It's these same people that we're talking about. Wages going down, from their perspective they might think everyone's in the same boat, so it's okay to try and plead poverty to a tradesman. Not a defence, just an insight.

Supply & demand works both ways, no argument. I heard a piece on Radio 4 recently "do bricklayers earn more than doctors?" Didn't suprise me in the slightest.

Glassesdirect.com offer the same designer specs at a fraction of the price. I applaud them. However if everyone used them, or asked Boots & Specsavers to match their prices, you would put bricks & mortar practices out of business.The business model would then change so that you pay a fee for professional services- ie just the sight test. Currently you pay £15 or it might even be free. You may find then that it costs £75 or whatever.
The cheapest way to get prescription designer glasses today is to get your eye test done at Specsavers for free and send the optical prescription to an online vendor. You'll pay about £100 Vs £300.

Do you hear opticians complaining about it? Not really, its just the market, margins get squeezed from every direction, it up to you to innovate, or increase productivity or increase quality to survive.

I'm happy to pay a Plasterer whatever they ask so long as it's reasonable. I don't consider £4400 reasonable for the job, so I'm not paying that. Going by the advice I've received, £2k is about right for the job. I have someone lined up as I say. But my complaint was that I was only attracting silly quotes some far too low, others so tight the guys decide not to honour them, then one soooo high it seemed punitive.

Anyways I'll next update you with a progress report!
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Trying to wow everyone with your f*** off massive scriptures ain't working anymore, people realise by going for the cheaper quotes and publicising your wages when everybody earns more on here ain't so clever,

90% of everyone on here business men and women the type that wouldn't cry if they got made redundant they would be back on the trowel a couple of days later earning money
 
F*** it I'm going to have a day off today it's raining, I'll go and have a spot of lunch with the missus and a coffee, Might book me and the misses in for a free eye test while we're out,
I love being my own boss
 
Mos said:
Good people,


Hi Brimstone

Thank you for taking the time to write an in-depth & considered post. In fact that reminds me, FreeD wrote a helpful piece earlier, so thanks to him too.

I don't mind taking the stick, I'd rather try and earn someone's respect than recieve their offence, so stick has never bothered me.

Budgets in general are important to homeowners. I don't see how Pakistanis are alone in that regard. Yes, some of negotiating tactics in trying to achieve that are crass, dumb or backwards, but the underlying principle applies to everyone. We all haggle when we get a new car or when buying a house for example, but Pakistanis can take it to extremes! Local traders even allow for it- the price is inflated by 10% so it can be reduced by the same when customers asks for a discount. Except restaurants, nobody haggles at a restaurant- they realise it looks desperate in front of an audience.

Yes, point taken about price of everything, value of nothing & the millionaires. Incidentally, many Spreads on here complain of their most affluent customers being the stingiest in contrast to less well-off folk who will tip quite generously, so again not specific to Asians.

Take your point about academic vs trade, but I suspect @lurpak would call anyone who can spell an academic...

I trust your calculations about my daily rate are reasonably accurate, however, they are irrelevant. What I would pay for good Plasterer is entirely to to do with the market for Plasterers, not Opticians! I do hope that this does not belie your policy on pricing- jack up the the price for customers if they look like their doing well? Your pricing should not be relative to what I earn as an individual, surely? If that was the case, and everybody did it, Taxi drivers would charge different folk different prices for the same fare.

As an aside, Taxi drivers are interesting case study actually. In cities like Leeds where there has been massive influx of Asian cab drivers, the cost of a taxi has declined quite dramatically over the years. It's these same people that we're talking about. Wages going down, from their perspective they might think everyone's in the same boat, so it's okay to try and plead poverty to a tradesman. Not a defence, just an insight.

Supply & demand works both ways, no argument. I heard a piece on Radio 4 recently "do bricklayers earn more than doctors?" Didn't suprise me in the slightest.

Glassesdirect.com offer the same designer specs at a fraction of the price. I applaud them. However if everyone used them, or asked Boots & Specsavers to match their prices, you would put bricks & mortar practices out of business.The business model would then change so that you pay a fee for professional services- ie just the sight test. Currently you pay £15 or it might even be free. You may find then that it costs £75 or whatever.
The cheapest way to get prescription designer glasses today is to get your eye test done at Specsavers for free and send the optical prescription to an online vendor. You'll pay about £100 Vs £300.

Do you hear opticians complaining about it? Not really, its just the market, margins get squeezed from every direction, it up to you to innovate, or increase productivity or increase quality to survive.

I'm happy to pay a Plasterer whatever they ask so long as it's reasonable. I don't consider £4400 reasonable for the job, so I'm not paying that. Going by the advice I've received, £2k is about right for the job. I have someone lined up as I say. But my complaint was that I was only attracting silly quotes some far too low, others so tight the guys decide not to honour them, then one soooo high it seemed punitive.

Anyways I'll next update you with a progress report!
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i don't think the comment on spelling was necessary, many struggle with spelling at trade level and is no worse than an optician not being able to renew a three pin plug on a slit lamp or Keratometer.
Better to learn from each other in my view.
 
Mos said:
Good people,


Hi Brimstone

Thank you for taking the time to write an in-depth & considered post. In fact that reminds me, FreeD wrote a helpful piece earlier, so thanks to him too.

I don't mind taking the stick, I'd rather try and earn someone's respect than recieve their offence, so stick has never bothered me.

Budgets in general are important to homeowners. I don't see how Pakistanis are alone in that regard. Yes, some of negotiating tactics in trying to achieve that are crass, dumb or backwards, but the underlying principle applies to everyone. We all haggle when we get a new car or when buying a house for example, but Pakistanis can take it to extremes! Local traders even allow for it- the price is inflated by 10% so it can be reduced by the same when customers asks for a discount. Except restaurants, nobody haggles at a restaurant- they realise it looks desperate in front of an audience.

Yes, point taken about price of everything, value of nothing & the millionaires. Incidentally, many Spreads on here complain of their most affluent customers being the stingiest in contrast to less well-off folk who will tip quite generously, so again not specific to Asians.

Take your point about academic vs trade, but I suspect @lurpak would call anyone who can spell an academic...

I trust your calculations about my daily rate are reasonably accurate, however, they are irrelevant. What I would pay for good Plasterer is entirely to to do with the market for Plasterers, not Opticians! I do hope that this does not belie your policy on pricing- jack up the the price for customers if they look like their doing well? Your pricing should not be relative to what I earn as an individual, surely? If that was the case, and everybody did it, Taxi drivers would charge different folk different prices for the same fare.

As an aside, Taxi drivers are interesting case study actually. In cities like Leeds where there has been massive influx of Asian cab drivers, the cost of a taxi has declined quite dramatically over the years. It's these same people that we're talking about. Wages going down, from their perspective they might think everyone's in the same boat, so it's okay to try and plead poverty to a tradesman. Not a defence, just an insight.

Supply & demand works both ways, no argument. I heard a piece on Radio 4 recently "do bricklayers earn more than doctors?" Didn't suprise me in the slightest.

Glassesdirect.com offer the same designer specs at a fraction of the price. I applaud them. However if everyone used them, or asked Boots & Specsavers to match their prices, you would put bricks & mortar practices out of business.The business model would then change so that you pay a fee for professional services- ie just the sight test. Currently you pay £15 or it might even be free. You may find then that it costs £75 or whatever.
The cheapest way to get prescription designer glasses today is to get your eye test done at Specsavers for free and send the optical prescription to an online vendor. You'll pay about £100 Vs £300.

Do you hear opticians complaining about it? Not really, its just the market, margins get squeezed from every direction, it up to you to innovate, or increase productivity or increase quality to survive.

I'm happy to pay a Plasterer whatever they ask so long as it's reasonable. I don't consider £4400 reasonable for the job, so I'm not paying that. Going by the advice I've received, £2k is about right for the job. I have someone lined up as I say. But my complaint was that I was only attracting silly quotes some far too low, others so tight the guys decide not to honour them, then one soooo high it seemed punitive.

Anyways I'll next update you with a progress report!
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We work in a profession where 3 different tradesman can walk into a builders merchant and buy a bag of plaster and all pay a different price. There are many companies in business that vary the price depending on social grade...even supermarket chains have been known to change the prices of goods depending on the area. The only time a customer gets a better deal from me is if they are absolutely no hassle...i.e happy with cost, here are the keys, tea coffee and biscuits are on the side.
 
Tom81 said:
Trying to wow everyone with your f*** off massive scriptures ain't working anymore, people realise by going for the cheaper quotes and publicising your wages when everybody earns more on here ain't so clever,

90% of everyone on here business men and women the type that wouldn't cry if they got made redundant they would be back on the trowel a couple of days later earning money
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Fuuuuk u, bitch...on your first point.

Respect on your second point.
 
Tom81 said:
F*** it I'm going to have a day off today it's raining, I'll go and have a spot of lunch with the missus and a coffee, Might book me and the misses in for a free eye test while we're out,
I love being my own boss
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Don't forget to switch your phone off, those pesky customers will be wondering why another skiver hasn't turned up...
 
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