Plastering over artex...................again

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Diggler

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Sorry I don’t post that much but..

I had to meet a chartered surveyor (contracts manager), and on this particular job all the ceilings that were due to be repaired due to water damage were artexed. The customer requested that the ceiling be smooth instead of re-artexed, I didn’t have an issue with this and have always plastered over artex without a problem. These ceiling had broken leather pattern that was not too thick and I’d already tested them for asbestos and they came back negative. But surprisingly this contracts manager refused to have them plastered over saying that British Gypsum does not warrant this and that he would only skim the ceilings with Smooth-It.

I’ve been trying to find some literature to back up what he’s saying or at least a British Gypsum helpline, anyone know ??
 
Get the ceilings over boarded, then enjoy skimming the new board, safe in the knowledge your not taking any risks...
 
Unfortunately this guy has it in writing that BG do not advocate skimming over artex with Multi, now I know you can along with every plasterer on this forum, but I’m trying to find what BG’s stand on it is. As for staying away from him, I don’t have a choice, I’ve got to use him
 
BG have introduced what they call "Spec Sure", their guarantee on their systems and materials but they only guarantee them when the whole system used is produced by BG and that includes the screws and scrim the whole thing, so I can't see them backing anyone on an overskim.
 
essexandy said:
BG have introduced what they call "Spec Sure", their guarantee on their systems and materials but they only guarantee them when the whole system used is produced by BG and that includes the screws and scrim the whole thing, so I can't see them backing anyone on an overskim.
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Cheers Andy, how and where can I find out more about this ''Spec Sure''
 
Ok , The BG dry wall academy will def not endorse over skimming to artex. Talk the guy, agree with this, and in addition state that because the exisitng board has been water damaged this has compramised its integrity.In veiw of this you advise that the ceilings are overboarded with new 9.5mm plaster board then skimmed. This is 100% belt and braces.
 
Just go with the flow it will cost a fortune in smooth it , this guy not a clue say nowt.
 
essexandy said:
I doubt any manufacturer would ever want to guarantee their materials on domestics, to many variables (and chancers lol).
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But thinking about it they have to have to give a little lee-way as they don't produce blocks or cast concrete but they allow there products to be used on them.
 
we only do insurance work and the contracts managers tell us to overskim artex all the time. we've told them it wont be backed by bg if it goes wrong but they dont listen. they also dont let us overboard at all. but we always do, **** em
 
have you thought about playing a little game with the contracts manager Diggler? The rules are simple. You hide your eyes and count to a hundred while he runs away from you as fast as he can. It's called "Just How Far Can You Fook Off" I play it with quite a few of my customers :RpS_laugh:
 
I phoned BG on this the other day to see what they say about it, there responce is that you should not use multi or any other plaster finish to skim artex. Either scrape it all off, board it or use Smooth-it

Just remember that BG own Artex brand
 
because that way they can get you to buy boards AND finish rather than just finish. and they know no ******* buys bond it cus its too 'kin expensive for what it is
 
we had a mental one a few yrs back. we were doing 10 converted flats. and for some odd reason they had electric heating mats in the lids as the flats heating. backwards i know. anyway. they were then tacked over the heating mats and were then to be skimmed. but then the spec turns out to be smooth it. we had to pretty much skim smooth it on every lid in every room in 10 flats. it was quite possibly the gayest thing iv ever had to do
 
Til beddy bent you over the spotboard........................


Anyhow, how can you put more weight over a ceiling which has lost its integral strength via the water damage???? They should be pulled down or overboarded - and I hope your getting the clever facker to give you a written indemnity in case things go a bit off:RpS_thumbup:
 
There's no way that BG are ever going to recommend that you can skim over something that is water soluble, which Artex is.
 
BG's argument was due to a chemical reaction ?? I carnt see how if the artex is painted. Should be no differentthan a normal painted ceiling.


bubbles65 said:
Til beddy bent you over the spotboard........................


Anyhow, how can you put more weight over a ceiling which has lost its integral strength via the water damage???? They should be pulled down or overboarded - and I hope your getting the clever facker to give you a written indemnity in case things go a bit off:RpS_thumbup:
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Any water damage is cut out and replaced with new board
 
Diggler said:
BG's argument was due to a chemical reaction ?? I carnt see how if the artex is painted. Should be no differentthan a normal painted ceiling.
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Yes the chemical reaction would be that if the moisture in the plaster gets through to the Artex then the Artex will dissolve.
It's very rare for an Artex ceiling to be re-skimmed without first getting a scrape and once scraped it's all down to how well it gets sealed again so the paint doesn't really come into it.
 
I thought it was the chemical reaction that heats the plaster that heats the artex that ends up with it all on the floor
 
spunky have you ever wet an unpainted artex ceiling? comes off like putty. we had to scrape down and re artex a ceiling that had been done a few weeks before by another gang. took F*****g ages doing it dry so the bloke i was with got his roller out and dunked it in a bucket of water. 2 minutes later it scraped off and left pretty much no evidence it was there.
 
if it hasnt been painted. and you pva it...its not gonna stay up very long is it. hence why BG wont back you up.
 
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