Thistle spray finish

flynnyman

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I'll be honest Flynny I'm not totally convinced that the machine will be quicker for all skimming, but I've decided that if we don't take the plunge and give it a go we'll never know and I want to give my son the chance to be as versatile as possible. I think the best chance of the Spray Finish saving considerable time will be on ceilings, but I could be wrong, it may turn out to be quicker all round once we're used to it. And if doesn't work out at all, well it's only money isn't it so I won't be that bothered.

Fair play mate i hope it works out and why dont you send your lad down to GT for a week just to pick up the basics?
 

essexandy

The Lake Governor
Fair play mate i hope it works out and why dont you send your lad down to GT for a week just to pick up the basics?

Because I'd then have to re-train him in the basics the way I want them done. And no this isn't a dig or a pi$$ take just a fact that we don't all do things the same way.
Some of us do them right and the others do them...........yes that was a pi$$ take.
 

flynnyman

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Because I'd then have to re-train him in the basics the way I want them done. And no this isn't a dig or a pi$$ take just a fact that we don't all do things the same way.
Some of us do them right and the others do them...........yes that was a pi$$ take.

There again you can train him up on the machine in 20 mins so you wont need to ;)
 

essexandy

The Lake Governor
There again you can train him up on the machine in 20 mins so you wont need to ;)

Ha ha, funny thing is he's more keen to learn the traditional methods his Grandfather and I have used than he is to use the machine. He says he wouldn't be able to call himself a plasterer until he could do it our way first. Wise head on young shoulders me thinks, **** knows where he gets that from.
 
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theblones

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surely bg and knauf did some market research before investing into spray skim. Perhaps they should of just rang Flinny then not bothered eh!
 

theblones

Active Member
who still uses the old methods anyway, they taught me all the fibrous crap i have never used, i done roughcast a few times. 1 lime job. then i got a machine and used it all the time and make more ££££££ using it than anyone using traditional methods.
I was watching the carpenter teach his apprentice to cut hinges out traditionally last week "just in case his router ever broke or he forgot it when he was on his own job"

£ 20 in b&q router or do it traditionally
 

flynnyman

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who still uses the old methods anyway, they taught me all the fibrous crap i have never used, i done roughcast a few times. 1 lime job. then i got a machine and used it all the time and make more ££££££ using it than anyone using traditional methods.
I was watching the carpenter teach his apprentice to cut hinges out traditionally last week "just in case his router ever broke or he forgot it when he was on his own job"

£ 20 in b&q router or do it traditionally

I also did fibrous and for the first time in over 20 years im gonn be runnin a cornice for customer which ive just spoken to who also now wants the ceiling and walls doing, i dont think i would of secured the walls and ceiling without being able to do the mould. They are the future blones i agree and i think things have come a long way so im one for grasping new techniques and ive also used a machine so if youve got the work get stuck in. xxx
 

theblones

Active Member
If i only sprayed skim once in 20 years i would accept it was a waste of time buying a machine. maybe even 10 years
 

theblones

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gibbo stuck that video up of cornice manufacturing before. Makes doing it the way we were taught look a waste of time. Like having skilled workers put cars together then along came the robots.
 

flynnyman

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gibbo stuck that video up of cornice manufacturing before. Makes doing it the way we were taught look a waste of time. Like having skilled workers put cars together then along came the robots.

I did look for someone to cast one for me but its to far so i will do it myself coz i can :)
 

nickelarse

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was in encon yesterday and ended up looking a a knauf book whilst waiting. their picks of mpfinish being sprayed looks like a texture gun? anyone done it? would it be worthwhile?
 

nickelarse

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oh, and i ran out of multi on my last hit the other day over artex walls. topped with spray. worked suprisingly well, just took ages to go off.
 

essexandy

The Lake Governor
was in encon yesterday and ended up looking a a knauf book whilst waiting. their picks of mpfinish being sprayed looks like a texture gun? anyone done it? would it be worthwhile?

In the Knauf literature I've got Nick it shows it being sprayed on with a Ritmo with the same sort of spray we're getting off of Stu. When the Thistle is sprayed on it has a texture not unlike Tyrolean which is why you have to flatten it of shortly after spraying. Sorry if you already knew this and I've got the wrong end of the stick with you're question.
 

nickelarse

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yeah i did no this, and you have lol. only messing. prob should have explained a bit better. iv got the skim setup etc, but in this book, which had all their products in, the gun they were using was a short gun that looked like a texturing gun. and looked like when blones was spraying on blocks and laying mesh into it. never seen it before coz as u said, the book i have at home are being sprayed with the ritmo and skim gun
 

essexandy

The Lake Governor
Sorry Nick I sounded like a right courser telling you about that lol. Now I may have got this wrong (again) but the gun the comes with the spray set up normally is the one with the "trigger" but I'm fairly sure that Stu said that we would get a different one with a "switch" on it which I think is shorter. As I'm only spending £9k I wasn't paying that much attention:RpS_blushing:
 

nickelarse

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the gun with the trigger costs a bomb as far as i remember. i looked into it coz it looked smart but its not worth the money. if uv got the same as me and nothing has changed then ul have air and gear hoses going to the gun with an adjustable air, then a seperate yellow cable which is linked to the machine so u can adjust ur air etc with the machine fully on or off
 

essexandy

The Lake Governor
the gun with the trigger costs a bomb as far as i remember. i looked into it coz it looked smart but its not worth the money. if uv got the same as me and nothing has changed then ul have air and gear hoses going to the gun with an adjustable air, then a seperate yellow cable which is linked to the machine so u can adjust ur air etc with the machine fully on or off

That sounds like the one Nick
 

sqiralnutz

New Member
Try trowelling that f*cker up on your tod lol! Looks interesting though and if it makes the job easier....... I just bet that if you did it from a subbing perspective, the big firms would give you a shite rate.

Don't think it'll catch on with smaller jobs but i think it will on bigger jobs where everything has to be done yesterday. One good thing with it, it would stop other trades gett'n in your way!! :RpS_thumbup:
 

spray man

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Hi
we've used the spray plaster and have the M-Tech 100 for the job
we found it an excellent plaster to use, we applied it using the machine and also by hand
you can get a massive area covered
we did a ceiling recently which was just over 100m
the client didn't want any breaks in the ceiling, wanting just one smooth, flat finish with no joints
we did the job (myself & partner with a labourer manning the machine) and worked off stilts on the troweling up process
first of all we attempted some smaller ceilings, and by God it was messy!
walls were easier and nowhere near as messy
we found a system that seemed to work for us - putting one quick thin pass over the ceiling then flattened it off quickly with spatulas on poles
we then applied a 2nd coat, whilst first coat was still wet
by doing this we found that we did not get such a spray back, cutting the mess down considerably
if you try doing the ceilings (and walls as well) in just one pass you get alot of spray back and it kicks back off the board - but 2 passes works well
we completed the ceiling with no dramas at all, but you do have to be careful with the transformer
we have the larger one, and it does seem to cut-out after about 45 minutes, but, in that time, you should have enough plaster on the walls to contend with
the plaster takes a lot longer to go off than the multi-finish, which means you can cover a larger area without having to push yourself too much - as you're aware, you have to work quite quickly with the set for multifinish
we also applied by hand and found it really nice to work with and a great finish
the machine though is not really any good for small domestic work, more suited to large, commercials works
but used by hand, can be used for either, but the plaster itself is more expensive
I hope this answers any of your questions
feel free to ask me any more you may want to know about this system
regards
Sprayman
 

spunky

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how many sprays are you doing per day and how long does each one take? Do you think you'd use the machine on an average 3 bed new build or just bigger commercial stuff? Are you getting more completed than by hand? Sorry abou all th questions mate
 

spray man

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how many sprays are you doing per day and how long does each one take? Do you think you'd use the machine on an average 3 bed new build or just bigger commercial stuff? Are you getting more completed than by hand? Sorry abou all th questions mate

We've not had a great opportunity to using the machine, since we purchased it last summer
We purchased it from a fella in Wales who'd been trying to put multi-finish without much luck by the sounds of it
The manufacturers of the machine said it could be used for multi-finish, which is not correct from what Britsh Gypsum were saying and the mult-finish was blowing back off the wall after about 6 months. The reason for this was that air was being trapped between the plasterboard and plasterboard substrate - this is why BG developed the new thistle spray plaster to overcome this problem (sorry, I'm getting away from the questions you've asked me!)
We've not been getting alot of skimming work, we've been getting more thin-coat render type jobs
I would say, 2 good hits a day with a 2 & 1 team would be sufficient, and wioth the setting times, 2 would be about the max (within normal working day)
Yes, you could use a machine on a 3 bedroom house with no problems
When I say domestic, I mean the over-tack & skim jobs, that type of thing
No, you would complete more with the machine than you would by hand and also you're taking the strain away from your body
Hope this answers your questions
regards
Sprayman:RpS_thumbup:
 

spunky

Private Member
Cheers mate don't worry about harking on everyone does it on here lol
How are you getting on with it on thin coat are you using it for the adhesive coat and bucket coats
 

spray man

New Member
We tried putting the adhesive coat though the monjet worked ok but we had to put a slower roter stater on .We alway put the textured coat on by hand never tryed it with a machine been told it does'nt work that well looks more like a terolen finish.
 

vinnie2

New Member
ok thanks for the answer on the dura finish currier do you have to just one coat it or two we will have the machine soon,have you got a generator for the sites with no mains, i see on your videos you are in private houses.
 
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