Life after plastering

John fogarty

New Member
Having worked in the plastering business for 25years I am looking to move into lecturing or teaching, I have my NVQ level 2 and my A1 award in assessing, obviously I need some teaching qualifications but where to get and at what cost. Why can't tradesmen teach, so much bad press on here about training centres, thoughts please.
 

John fogarty

New Member
The roads are death traps, potentially I still have to work to 70 odd, doing something that I enjoy without all the bullshit. Maybe????
 

raggles

Private Member
You used to be able to teach/lecture with a minimum C&G advanced craft so you may need an NVQ lvl3 plus now you also need the teaching certificate. @Geason should know the craic and @puddove there may be others but non spring to mind.
 

puddove

Private Member
Having worked in the plastering business for 25years I am looking to move into lecturing or teaching, I have my NVQ level 2 and my A1 award in assessing, obviously I need some teaching qualifications but where to get and at what cost. Why can't tradesmen teach, so much bad press on here about training centres, thoughts please.

hi John
There are 2 paths you could take--- on site assessment - for this you would require city &guilds advance craft and the new assessing units TAQA -the updated version of the A1 and a college or center to work from,the other path is teaching for this you require city &guilds advance craft, TAQA and a teaching qualification at least a certification of Education (cert ed). I would contact your local college, to inquire about part time work, and take it from there. The down side of education is the amount of paperwork, and the constant reduction in funding.
 

uni-king

Private Member
hi flynnyman , there are some good s**t and bad s**t been rolled out :inocente: join us on the dark side and lead us :inocente:
to your high standards
(y)
love
phil:lol:
Do u teach ur lads how to use a angle trowel? Had a lad for a couple days recently and he was nvq level 2 qualified and didn't know wat a angle trowel was..he could barely get it off the handboard aswell..not his fault its how there are taught..and its not just this lad its been same with every1 that's cum from college 4 in total..
 

algeeman

It’s A Boy
hi kitchy

yeah when they first start to skim -- i usually get them to work opposite walls (set angles)- then move on to adjacent walls wet angles with the help of an internal angle trowel some prefer just to work with their skimming trowel.
To become a good spread step 1 is liking your own company step 2 is getting outa bed early.....step 3 your halfway there.
 

uni-king

Private Member
hi kitchy

yeah when they first start to skim -- i usually get them to work opposite walls (set angles)- then move on to adjacent walls wet angles with the help of an internal angle trowel some prefer just to work with their skimming trowel.
Must just be the useless farts at Leeds college of building then..had 4 lads say same thing now
 

puddove

Private Member
o dear - they supposed to be a good college, a few years back the main guy moved to Barnsley college i think hes still there. As ever its down to the funding and learners that are ill advised prior to starting on the course, who do n't want to be there and have no interest in plastering.
 

stiltwalker

Active Member
Do u teach ur lads how to use a angle trowel? Had a lad for a couple days recently and he was nvq level 2 qualified and didn't know wat a angle trowel was..he could barely get it off the handboard aswell..not his fault its how there are taught..and its not just this lad its been same with every1 that's cum from college 4 in total..
Had the same with my new labourer been to college and got his papers seems a nice lad too, asked him to put a cupboard ceiling on and thought he would be ok as it was only tiny, asked him to tell me when it's finished, had a look scrim grinning through it on all edges and middle so it will have to be redone, just feel sorry for some of these lads as they can't even knock up a bucket of skim
 

uni-king

Private Member
Yep I think with the full timers its just sumat there do from leaving school I.e u have to go into some sort of full time education once left school so parents etc can still claim etc on u being full time education..sorry state of affairs really as its a total waste of time and money
 

uni-king

Private Member
Had the same with my new labourer been to college and got his papers seems a nice lad too, asked him to put a cupboard ceiling on and thought he would be ok as it was only tiny, asked him to tell me when it's finished, had a look scrim grinning through it on all edges and middle so it will have to be redone, just feel sorry for some of these lads as they can't even knock up a bucket of skim
Urs go to Leeds college of building? Shocking wat there send out of them doors at that place
 

John fogarty

New Member
hi John
There are 2 paths you could take--- on site assessment - for this you would require city &guilds advance craft and the new assessing units TAQA -the updated version of the A1 and a college or center to work from,the other path is teaching for this you require city &guilds advance craft, TAQA and a teaching qualification at least a certification of Education (cert ed). I would contact your local college, to inquire about part time work, and take it from there. The down side of education is the amount of paperwork, and the constant reduction in funding.
 

flynnyman

Well-Known Member
Do u teach ur lads how to use a angle trowel? Had a lad for a couple days recently and he was nvq level 2 qualified and didn't know wat a angle trowel was..he could barely get it off the handboard aswell..not his fault its how there are taught..and its not just this lad its been same with every1 that's cum from college 4 in total..
I will be honest I only teach my lads how to use a bucket trowel and load a handboard, scrape the floor, tape up if they are a natural, maybe screw but more often then not take my screws out that I missed :), load the van, unload the van usually with me showing and helping. Filling buckets with water, cleaning out buckets and sockets, moving ladders, stilts and hop ups, making brews, cleaning frames and windows with a sponge, pregritting, pvaing, removing nails and screws, putting sockets back on, holding plasterboard up, stripping wallpaper and most important laugh at my jokes ;) that is the basics, if they can do all that then they will pick up a trowel. These are what you need to know or you are going to make a mess of any job. I've had lads who just want to skim straight away and can't understand why they need to learn all I've just mentioned. They don't want to learn they just want to learn how to skim and maybe board coz they have their own plans. That's why I am reluctant to train anyone because they want it all now without learning the basics. The colleges have their hands tied with having to qualify everyone because a more qualified workforce ticks all the government figures that are required. I was taught to work to dry angles and never done it for the first ten years until I went on site doing price work. You should be taught to work to dry angles because you need to know how to do it right before you start doing special moves lol
 

flynnyman

Well-Known Member
hi flynnyman , there are some good s**t and bad s**t been rolled out :inocente: join us on the dark side and lead us :inocente:
to your high standards
(y)
love
phil:lol:
I would like to teach, if they gave me my teaching quals for free and let me work when I want I would put in a few shifts :) I think I could cram in more info in a lesson and get them interested :)
 

uni-king

Private Member
I will be honest I only teach my lads how to use a bucket trowel and load a handboard, scrape the floor, tape up if they are a natural, maybe screw but more often then not take my screws out that I missed :), load the van, unload the van usually with me showing and helping. Filling buckets with water, cleaning out buckets and sockets, moving ladders, stilts and hop ups, making brews, cleaning frames and windows with a sponge, pregritting, pvaing, removing nails and screws, putting sockets back on, holding plasterboard up, stripping wallpaper and most important laugh at my jokes ;) that is the basics, if they can do all that then they will pick up a trowel. These are what you need to know or you are going to make a mess of any job. I've had lads who just want to skim straight away and can't understand why they need to learn all I've just mentioned. They don't want to learn they just want to learn how to skim and maybe board coz they have their own plans. That's why I am reluctant to train anyone because they want it all now without learning the basics. The colleges have their hands tied with having to qualify everyone because a more qualified workforce ticks all the government figures that are required. I was taught to work to dry angles and never done it for the first ten years until I went on site doing price work. You should be taught to work to dry angles because you need to know how to do it right before you start doing special moves lol
Flynny cant believe in actually saying this but I agree with everything uve just said..wtf is going on..ur still a prick tho..;-)
 

stiltwalker

Active Member
Urs go to Leeds college of building? Shocking wat there send out of them doors at that place
no barking and dagenham , its shocking been telling him for two days how to knock a bucket of skim up he seems to spend 10 mins doing it sounds like a motor bike going through the gears ,think i might gt the old clog out so he can understand how to do it
 

puddove

Private Member
I would like to teach, if they gave me my teaching quals for free and let me work when I want I would put in a few shifts :) I think I could cram in more info in a lesson and get them interested :)
hi flynnyman nowt like been choosy----perhaps their is a college out there that might be interested in yr terms :inocente:

joking apart i glad you realize teachers have got their hands tied - with funding and politics and some try to keep standards high
 
D

Deleted member 29624

Guest
I will be honest I only teach my lads how to use a bucket trowel and load a handboard, scrape the floor, tape up if they are a natural, maybe screw but more often then not take my screws out that I missed :), load the van, unload the van usually with me showing and helping. Filling buckets with water, cleaning out buckets and sockets, moving ladders, stilts and hop ups, making brews, cleaning frames and windows with a sponge, pregritting, pvaing, removing nails and screws, putting sockets back on, holding plasterboard up, stripping wallpaper and most important laugh at my jokes ;) that is the basics, if they can do all that then they will pick up a trowel. These are what you need to know or you are going to make a mess of any job. I've had lads who just want to skim straight away and can't understand why they need to learn all I've just mentioned. They don't want to learn they just want to learn how to skim and maybe board coz they have their own plans. That's why I am reluctant to train anyone because they want it all now without learning the basics. The colleges have their hands tied with having to qualify everyone because a more qualified workforce ticks all the government figures that are required. I was taught to work to dry angles and never done it for the first ten years until I went on site doing price work. You should be taught to work to dry angles because you need to know how to do it right before you start doing special moves lol
Flynny I could live with most of the above but laughing at your jokes would just be step to far for me :) I bet you get loads of good lads but you get a blank look when you tell your first englishman, irishman and scotsman joke and then thats it they're out.
 

flynnyman

Well-Known Member
Flynny I could live with most of the above but laughing at your jokes would just be step to far for me :) I bet you get loads of good lads but you get a blank look when you tell your first englishman, irishman and scotsman joke and then thats it they're out.
At least you will get to hear a joke ;) lol
 

flynnyman

Well-Known Member
hi flynnyman nowt like been choosy----perhaps their is a college out there that might be interested in yr terms :inocente:

joking apart i glad you realize teachers have got their hands tied - with funding and politics and some try to keep standards high
Oh I'm aware the government is f**k**g it up, that also goes for the quality of lecturers and the type of qualifications they are allowed to have to teach a trade.
 
Top