nearly there keithuk almost had it, try again say it slowly handboard, a hawk is one of those feathery things that fly about, where as a handboard is a board for holding plaster which you hold in your hand known by its latin version as handusboardus and the english version handboard, keep trying keith one day it will come to you , then people on site will stop work lay down there tools and point at you with respect and awe, whispering to each other thats keith heard him call his hawwwwk a handboard , no more calls to the smaritans,no more attending the care in the community programme, all you have to do is call it a handboard and you will be a changed man, we should really start a missionary programme down south, visit sites and help our fellow spreads to change there ways, hold meetings in conference rooms ,slowly but surely attitudes will change and it will be known as a handboard, all the best hector