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JohnDoe

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What's labourer rates at the moment for say someone who can't use a trowel, but can mix up, clean up, carry, fetch ...? On domestic work.
 
Under 18 and 18-21 and over 21 is different wage can be applied. Nothing to do with willingness unfortunately

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zolco said:
Under 18 and 18-21 and over 21 is different wage can be applied. Nothing to do with willingness unfortunately

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I always believed in if you were good enough you were old enough .....
 
JohnDoe said:
I always believed in if you were good enough you were old enough .....
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That's true pal, but money is money, hence big firms getting rid of young lads after a certain age and getting new ones. On a smaller outfit if you good as gold they will hang on to you and pay you decent wage to keep you there and train you along the way. I can't see much point having a labourer for domestic it's handy if you do rendering a lot.

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zolco said:
That's true pal, but money is money, hence big firms getting rid of young lads after a certain age and getting new ones. On a smaller outfit if you good as gold they will hang on to you and pay you decent wage to keep you there and train you along the way. I can't see much point having a labourer for domestic it's handy if you do rendering a lot.

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That's what I have concluded
 
Rossi46 said:
If the jobs big enough to warrant extra labour you have to factor that into your price. Too many are working like slaves doing two men's work for one mans price.
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Yea true.

Also people need incentives, I think you can tell if people are there to learn or just a wage. If the latter they would never get a pay rise!

If you pay to low you'll never get any one good or willing to learn, just idiots wanting beer money.
In the long run it will benefit to pay them better and more as they progress!


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Jgreenplastering said:
Yea true.

Also people need incentives, I think you can tell if people are there to learn or just a wage. If the latter they would never get a pay rise!

If you pay to low you'll never get any one good or willing to learn, just idiots wanting beer money.
In the long run it will benefit to pay them better and more as they progress!


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J when you say people work for you do you mean you use plasterers or young labourers.?
 
JohnDoe said:
I want to give something back and train someone up. But fair point mate
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You better off getting someone fresh who's still in collage, then you can train them and pay them as you wish and let them go if they s**t.

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Let's not fcuk about here any labourer only on domestics only is minimum wage and that's only if it goes thought the books IMO....for pound notes around my world would be a hell of a lot less!

And plenty would be greatfull

Que all the superstars now.....yawnnnnnn
 
JohnDoe said:
I want to give something back and train someone up. But fair point mate
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Fair enough the only problem with training them up is I/you would just be training up someone who would just set up as comp on your doorstep ,I don't mean that funny just always thought and scene it happen,where as another spread knows the score,is more help and reliable and not bothered about doing you out of work cus he has his own
 
I think on domestic 2spreads is better than a 1+1 or 2+1 same as @theplasterman said above.
Although I graft on my own most of the time more coins to the slot machine

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theplasterman said:
Fair enough the only problem with training them up is I/you would just be training up someone who would just set up as comp on your doorstep ,I don't mean that funny just always thought and scene it happen,where as another spread knows the score,is more help and reliable and not bothered about doing you out of work cus he has his own
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Not necessarily Vincent. I agree with what you say to an extent but if you look after them and pay them fair they don't want to go on their own a lot of the time. Money every week without all the bullshit is a big positive. When they're trained up you can leave them on jobs and still make £60 a day.
 
Rossi46 said:
Not necessarily Vincent. I agree with what you say to an extent but if you look after them and pay them fair they don't want to go on their own a lot of the time. Money every week without all the bullshit is a big positive. When they're trained up you can leave them on jobs and still make £60 a day.
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Ok so how long would you say £60 a day for then?
I could get a little scum bag for that or less but anyone with a bit of go about them IMO is going to be thinking they are king don within a year and be wanting £100 plus which is just not going to work for someone like me or the dude who posted ,I would love for it to be able to work but just cant see how I or he could for the benefit of both.
I only asking I am not diss agreeing with you Rossi .?
 
theplasterman said:
Ok so how long would you say £60 a day for then?
I could get a little scum bag for that or less but anyone with a bit of go about them IMO is going to be thinking they are king don within a year and be wanting £100 plus which is just not going to work for someone like me or the dude who posted ,I would love for it to be able to work but just cant see how I or he could for the benefit of both.
I only asking I am not diss agreeing with you Rossi .?
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I mean a time served lad. Someone with pride in the job and someone who respects you for the efforts you've made putting them through an apprenticeship. Not some scrote you've shown the ropes. When they are time served you charge them out at the same rate as yourself and pay them £80 a day.
 
theplasterman said:
Ok so how long would you say £60 a day for then?
I could get a little scum bag for that or less but anyone with a bit of go about them IMO is going to be thinking they are king don within a year and be wanting £100 plus which is just not going to work for someone like me or the dude who posted ,I would love for it to be able to work but just cant see how I or he could for the benefit of both.
I only asking I am not diss agreeing with you Rossi .?
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Yea Vince I have both labs an spreads.
Make more off the learners/labs than my spread most of the time but he does a good job and it keeps clients happy.

If you have someone good they will need to be paid well.
I prefer to know a job is done well and I make a little than the job to be rushed I make more but have more call backs.
Prob why I'll never be rich off what I do but I'm happy with how it goes.


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I'll tell you exactly how it works been here many times before...

You get a 16 yr old as an apprentice they go to college 1 day a week you only have to pay minimum wage for days works etc...

First 6 months you do bit more on some jobs/get done quicker then onto next job quicker...other jobs say a 1 day job regardless

For that period just about evens/ maybe profitable...

Then 6mnth to 12 month start basic trowel work...slows you down to correct work some jobs others you pinch a few extra days/ jobs in...

For this period about the same break even...

12 month - 2 yrs hopefully by now there doing quite a bit and making your life much easier and start covering there wages but also there age as gone up and by law there minimum wage as etc...

This is the best period of the arrangement IMO where you earn off them...

Next period there world beaters in there mind and want to much dough;

At this point relationship breaks down they move on and you have to start the cycle all over again!!!
 
zombie said:
I'll tell you exactly how it works been here many times before...

You get a 16 yr old as an apprentice they go to college 1 day a week you only have to pay minimum wage for days works etc...

First 6 months you do bit more on some jobs/get done quicker then onto next job quicker...other jobs say a 1 day job regardless

For that period just about evens/ maybe profitable...

Then 6mnth to 12 month start basic trowel work...slows you down to correct work some jobs others you pinch a few extra days/ jobs in...

For this period about the same break even...

12 month - 2 yrs hopefully by now there doing quite a bit and making your life much easier and start covering there wages but also there age as gone up and by law there minimum wage as etc...

This is the best period of the arrangement IMO where you earn off them...

Next period there world beaters in there mind and want to much dough;

At this point relationship breaks down they move on and you have to start the cycle all over again!!!
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Lol mate ...
 
zombie said:
I'll tell you exactly how it works been here many times before...

You get a 16 yr old as an apprentice they go to college 1 day a week you only have to pay minimum wage for days works etc...

First 6 months you do bit more on some jobs/get done quicker then onto next job quicker...other jobs say a 1 day job regardless

For that period just about evens/ maybe profitable...

Then 6mnth to 12 month start basic trowel work...slows you down to correct work some jobs others you pinch a few extra days/ jobs in...

For this period about the same break even...

12 month - 2 yrs hopefully by now there doing quite a bit and making your life much easier and start covering there wages but also there age as gone up and by law there minimum wage as etc...

This is the best period of the arrangement IMO where you earn off them...

Next period there world beaters in there mind and want to much dough;

At this point relationship breaks down they move on and you have to start the cycle all over again!!!
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Very true zombie. I don't want to be negative about past apprentices though and think positive about how it can be when it goes right. Best way to work in my opinion. As naive as that might sound.
 
zombie said:
I'll tell you exactly how it works been here many times before...

You get a 16 yr old as an apprentice they go to college 1 day a week you only have to pay minimum wage for days works etc...

First 6 months you do bit more on some jobs/get done quicker then onto next job quicker...other jobs say a 1 day job regardless

For that period just about evens/ maybe profitable...

Then 6mnth to 12 month start basic trowel work...slows you down to correct work some jobs others you pinch a few extra days/ jobs in...

For this period about the same break even...

12 month - 2 yrs hopefully by now there doing quite a bit and making your life much easier and start covering there wages but also there age as gone up and by law there minimum wage as etc...

This is the best period of the arrangement IMO where you earn off them...

Next period there world beaters in there mind and want to much dough;

At this point relationship breaks down they move on and you have to start the cycle all over again!!!
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Feel loads better now
labourer rates
 
In my eyes for 60 a day they need to be able to do more than mixed. From what I have read on here spread are earning 120 a day so I'm assuming there skimming a small room out for that. So surely 60 Is way too much or 120 is way too low?
 
JohnDoe said:
In my eyes for 60 a day they need to be able to do more than mixed. From what I have read on here spread are earning 120 a day so I'm assuming there skimming a small room out for that. So surely 60 Is way too much or 120 is way too low?
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JohnDoe said:
In my eyes for 60 a day they need to be able to do more than mixed. From what I have read on here spread are earning 120 a day so I'm assuming there skimming a small room out for that. So surely 60 Is way too much or 120 is way too low?
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Wouldnt have a fukin prayer of getting that much from me for mixing on domestics only...

Rather do it mysen and give mysen a pay rise!!!!
 
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