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zolco said:
That's great if you see market for it flynny, I'm not debating it's functionality it seems a great product which been used in clothing for years, I'm questioning the costs involved for a short period of life expectancy. Also not sure that how it pans out for epc certification and surveys for selling a house for example. As no-one mentioned what happens in 15 years time is it gonna crumble down or just gonna still stick to the wall like s**t to a blanket, what warranties implied and what if the u value won't change after installation, is the surveyed independent or company backed, who's paying for labour if the gear don't work etc? From a marketing leaflet these things not clarified it's all in the small print I take it. I understand people trying to sell stuff but this is turning into another stilts saga.
Still if you knock out 40m at 75quid a meter is 3k not include 're-decorating don't think that's a good value for money.
I'm not being sceptical just going after the numbers, people these days want numbers not promises and ifs and buts.
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I see your points. As mentioned the full details and information will be released on the materials, certificates and other revelant information soon.

The post I have created is to introduce the product we are offering and gain applicators. This has happened. The information many are requesting will be sent to them directly to learn about the products.

I will upload some to the forum tomorrow.

The product actually lasts longer than 15 years but the guarantees are only for this. The same as most EWI systems.
The product won't crumble or fail after this time.
 
The gains in heat retention assume a very high level of radiated heat loss, in your normal domestic situation only a very small percentage of heat is lost in this manner, this product pretty much does the same job as foil backed slabs although obviously much more efficiently. Will be very interested to see the actual numbers supplied and the methodology used to back them up, this is not a substitute for ewi or anything close to it, I would suggest

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Do the maths. If a small terraced house would cost £13,000 as an average ,ask yourself, in your lifetime would you see a return on that money? Not likely. Maybe the person after you but not you as a homeowner. Does this sort of thing increase the value of your house. No.
This is a reason the government f**k*d up Green deal. Not enough savings on Carbon emissions and future costs for the price of the render.
 
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Do the maths. If a small terraced house would cost £13,000 as an average ,ask yourself, in your lifetime would you see a return on that money? Not likely. Maybe the person after you but not you as a homeowner. Does this sort of thing increase the value of your house. No.
This is a reason the government f**k*d up Green deal. Not enough savings on Carbon emissions and future costs for the price of the render.
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The same could be said of any insulation.
The private build new houses I'm doing in the last couple of years the cost of insulation is absolutely horrific.
It would be far far cheaper to double your heating bill for the rest of your days, but we aren't allowed to do that now......


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My floor is warm from the under floor heating .....but its shite and expensive.

It keeps my tootsies warm ....but then so do my army socks someone on here told me to buy !!!!
 
zolco said:
That's great if you see market for it flynny, I'm not debating it's functionality it seems a great product which been used in clothing for years, I'm questioning the costs involved for a short period of life expectancy. Also not sure that how it pans out for epc certification and surveys for selling a house for example. As no-one mentioned what happens in 15 years time is it gonna crumble down or just gonna still stick to the wall like s**t to a blanket, what warranties implied and what if the u value won't change after installation, is the surveyed independent or company backed, who's paying for labour if the gear don't work etc? From a marketing leaflet these things not clarified it's all in the small print I take it. I understand people trying to sell stuff but this is turning into another stilts saga.
Still if you knock out 40m at 75quid a meter is 3k not include 're-decorating don't think that's a good value for money.
I'm not being sceptical just going after the numbers, people these days want numbers not promises and ifs and buts.
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The 15 year guarantee I guess is there just to offer something how long guarantee do you get with multie? Exactly
 
zolco said:
Still if you knock out 40m at 75quid a meter is 3k not include 're-decorating don't think that's a good value for money.
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In theory the customer would have to re-decorate the whole house which is a huge cost in itself, if this product takes off could this be the end of Ewi? I don't think so, with Ewi you and everyone else who looks at your house can see what you've had done and the benefits are there for the homeowner/customer to see and feel, now imagine the homeowner telling there friends and family they've paid the same amount to have a 1mm skim coat over their walls, it screams scam, although that's not what I'm implying in any way, there was two guys from Wolverhampton who were selling a sprayable insulation film on your external walls turns out they were just spraying a stabilising solution and charging upto £10k a house and they made over £1mill doing it, now they have accommodation at her majesties pleasure, I've installed Ewi to a difficult customers house and he's claimed its colder now than before and was trying to say he'd been scammed or conned. until I see it and the science behind it I'm on the fence until I'm convinced or disproved otherwise.


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Rossi46 said:
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Do the maths. If a small terraced house would cost £13,000 as an average ,ask yourself, in your lifetime would you see a return on that money? Not likely. Maybe the person after you but not you as a homeowner. Does this sort of thing increase the value of your house. No.
This is a reason the government f**k*d up Green deal. Not enough savings on Carbon emissions and future costs for the price of the render.
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I think you are reading far to much into it, when I saw this product I didn't think I would be doing full houses and looking at the costs your right who would but on certain walls it will have its place if it works. It will be another thing you can offer alongside plastering and damp proofing wether it would be your full time job I don't know. It may also be seasonal because like I've said nobody gives a f**k about damp in the summer coz they are warm.
 
flynnyman said:
I think you are reading far to much into it, when I saw this product I didn't think I would be doing full houses and looking at the costs your right who would but on certain walls it will have its place if it works. It will be another thing you can offer alongside plastering and damp proofing wether it would be your full time job I don't know. It may also be seasonal because like I've said nobody gives a f**k about damp in the summer coz they are warm.
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But as Ryan said its purpose is as a full house system because an adjacent cold room would have a negative affect on a newly done expensive warm room.
 
themucky1 said:
In theory the customer would have to re-decorate the whole house which is a huge cost in itself, if this product takes off could this be the end of Ewi? I don't think so, with Ewi you and everyone else who looks at your house can see what you've had done and the benefits are there for the homeowner/customer to see and feel, now imagine the homeowner telling there friends and family they've paid the same amount to have a 1mm skim coat over their walls, it screams scam, although that's not what I'm implying in any way, there was two guys from Wolverhampton who were selling a sprayable insulation film on your external walls turns out they were just spraying a stabilising solution and charging upto £10k a house and they made over £1mill doing it, now they have accommodation at her majesties pleasure, I've installed Ewi to a difficult customers house and he's claimed its colder now than before and was trying to say he'd been scammed or conned. until I see it and the science behind it I'm on the fence until I'm convinced or disproved otherwise.


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Damned good point! I didn't even account for painting! Based on my example a whole house could cost £20,000! Madness.
 
At the end of the day the success of this product hinges upon the added value it provides a property in energy savings, the institute where it was accredited and the methods and conditions of the testing. I was once offered some panels whose Solar yields were literally of the scale , on checking the paperwork discovered the Chinese made panels had been tested in Morocco by a German institute and rebranded as German.

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Rossi46 said:
But as Ryan said its purpose is as a full house system because an adjacent cold room would have a negative affect on a newly done expensive warm room.
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I wouldn't look at it as a full house system and certainly wouldn't be looking at putting it in a new build. It may have an advantage over normal skim on a newbuild in the long run so who knows. I would be looking to fix certain walls in properties and if the customer saw a massive increase in heat loss then maybe more work would come from it.
 
Rossi46 said:
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Do the maths. If a small terraced house would cost £13,000 as an average ,ask yourself, in your lifetime would you see a return on that money? Not likely. Maybe the person after you but not you as a homeowner. Does this sort of thing increase the value of your house. No.
This is a reason the government f**k*d up Green deal. Not enough savings on Carbon emissions and future costs for the price of the render.
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thats true. i remember 4years ago i was working under eco for a company and carbon was selling 120quid a tonne. now its selling about 20-25quid a tonne
 
flynnyman said:
The 15 year guarantee I guess is there just to offer something how long guarantee do you get with multie? Exactly
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C'mon flynny lighten up, this is an insulation we talking about not a finish. Massive difference between the two. I understand that someone has to push the boat onto the water but ffs
Ordinary insulation remains efficient for the life of the building -from celotex website
Stay professional for goodness sake, I only raise valid points not saying to stock it at Argos with a notched trowel and sanding pad
 
Rossi46 said:
But as Ryan said its purpose is as a full house system because an adjacent cold room would have a negative affect on a newly done expensive warm room.
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I think it will only really be a room at a time, the adjacent room thing is rubbish, when I use thermal boards I don't do the whole house lol it's just the problem walls those usually north facing
 
zolco said:
C'mon flynny lighten up, this is an insulation we talking about not a finish. Massive difference between the two. I understand that someone has to push the boat onto the water but ffs
Ordinary insulation remains efficient for the life of the building -from celotex website
Stay professional for goodness sake, I only raise valid points not saying to stock it at Argos with a notched trowel and sanding pad
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Yeh but nobody really gives a life time guarantee on anything, me personally I think it will last forever it's only a 1mm coat.
 
flynnyman said:
I wouldn't look at it as a full house system and certainly wouldn't be looking at putting it in a new build. It may have an advantage over normal skim on a newbuild in the long run so who knows. I would be looking to fix certain walls in properties and if the customer saw a massive increase in heat loss then maybe more work would come from it.
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An increase in heat loss wouldn't be good :rayos: are you pished lol
Its not sold as a bit system. As Ryan said in one of his original posts it's supposed to be done on all walls and ceilings to balance the rooms temperature and therefore reduce the heating costs due to a higher ambient temperature. Doing one wall defeats the object because it's supposed to be using internal heat to optimise it's sole purpose. Other untreated walls would let down the treated wall by robbing it of some of the rooms heat which would in turn would mean a decrease in room temperature.
 
Dansouthcoast84 said:
thats true. i remember 4years ago i was working under eco for a company and carbon was selling 120quid a tonne. now its selling about 20-25quid a tonne
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£20 a tonne mate is what I've been offered it ain't worth the hassle and the green deal replacement ain't out til next year I received an email Wednesday confirming this [emoji107]


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Rossi46 said:
An increase in heat loss wouldn't be good :rayos: are you pished lol
Its not sold as a bit system. As Ryan said in one of his original posts it's supposed to be done on all walls and ceilings to balance the rooms temperature and therefore reduce the heating costs due to a higher ambient temperature. Doing one wall defeats the object because it's supposed to be using internal heat to optimise it's sole purpose. Other untreated walls would let down the treated wall by robbing it of some of the rooms heat which would in turn would mean a decrease in room temperature.
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If this is the case then it's not going to be for the vast majority of members and certainly not there customer base
 
Rossi46 said:
An increase in heat loss wouldn't be good :rayos: are you pished lol
Its not sold as a bit system. As Ryan said in one of his original posts it's supposed to be done on all walls and ceilings to balance the rooms temperature and therefore reduce the heating costs due to a higher ambient temperature. Doing one wall defeats the object because it's supposed to be using internal heat to optimise it's sole purpose. Other untreated walls would let down the treated wall by robbing it of some of the rooms heat which would in turn would mean a decrease in room temperature.
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Wow are you reading this wrong or am I? Ok this gear goes onto your wall and the heat hits your wall and bounces back rather than going through the wall and being lost which should in theory keep the room warmer longer which in theory reduce condensation or mould on cold walls. This in my eyes is not a heating system for your whole house to keep it warmer but a system to stop certain walls in your house from being cold.
 
gps said:
I think it will only really be a room at a time, the adjacent room thing is rubbish, when I use thermal boards I don't do the whole house lol it's just the problem walls those usually north facing
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I'm just quoting the sales pitch. I know it would be done a room at a time. Read through and it's been said a 310m2 house could be done in 2-3 days. Maybe, if nobody lived there and there were no furniture and carpets etc.
Realistically you have to ask yourself that based on doing one room at a time on 2 days minimum labour, plus materials, then how much would a whole house cost to do.
That's my argument.
 
Am always dubious of any system that purports to stop condensation other than a ventilation system. The notion that the room needs to be some kind of Aerogel envelope, surely this same with all insulation . Will eventually live or die on its science. Am surprised the passive house seen are not wetting knickers about it though.

Came across this if anyone interested. Percentage of Aerogel in material seems the key to it , which then has negative effects on plasters stability. http://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/6/9/5839/htm

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I'm just picturing the look on Mrs smiths face
'Yes we can skim your bedroom for £400 madam.although let me give you a price for a new insulated plaster that's just come out.
It will keep the heat in the room for you keeping your heating bills low.
We can do this for £3500 plus vat!!!!
 
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Plus with oil at sub $30 pb would wonder about timing of going to market.

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Am I the only one who has picked up on the ventilation part of this system?
Or am I imagining it?
Ventilation to me is air bricks or trickle vents in the rooms that are done, what if these rooms don't have this which is likely.
 
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