Ritmo L for sale

PFTwales

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K dont have any facts wrong.
The m100 is very far from the original ritmo.
The ritmo has had a properly designed 3 phase main motor and gearbox with adjustable speed control inverted from a single phase supply
It can and does pump renders and backing plasters
The M100 couldnt do the same and is the reason that M tec didnt have a machine to compete and you told everyone a single phase machine couldnt pump monocouche
it wasnt until 10 years later that m tec copied the ritmo .
THE m100 has a top motor taken off a head of a mixing drill. it was a million miles from the technology that is on the ritmo and m100 today and a blatant copy of the Pft minijet or an extremely poor and lazy copy of the ritmo
here is a minijet 2 from pft in 2004 and m tecs m100 which seems to have copied it .
 

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Plasterers1StopShop

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K dont have any facts wrong.
The m100 is very far from the original ritmo.
The ritmo has had a properly designed 3 phase main motor and gearbox with adjustable speed control inverted from a single phase supply
It can and does pump renders and backing plasters
The M100 couldnt do the same and is the reason that M tec didnt have a machine to compete and you told everyone a single phase machine couldnt pump monocouche
it wasnt until 10 years later that m tec copied the ritmo .
THE m100 has a top motor taken off a head of a mixing drill. it was a million miles from the technology that is on the ritmo and m100 today and a blatant copy of the Pft minijet or an extremely poor and lazy copy of the ritmo
here is a minijet 2 from pft in 2004 and m tecs m100 which seems to have copied it .

Again, incorrect. The M100 can spray renders and backing coats. It gets used for this.

We do however state due to the pumping distance and output it's too slow for Renders.
The exact same output and pumping distance as the 110v Ritmo

When I'm back in the office I'll show you a photo of our first ever machine, over 30 years old. Then you'll see where designs come from
 

PFTwales

Well-Known Member
So you promote a machine you don't rate?

The water pump on the M200 weighs 5kg, causes no issue with moving

Separate compressor not only reduces noise around the machine but prevents damage by dust etc. It keeps it clean. Lightweight and easy to move.
Again, you haven't used this Air comp so you can't say the V Meko is the best. I have three in our depot and I can safely say that ours is better.

You relate to the built in water pump issue and water barrel being 2m away.... that's the same with a G4,K4 or M330. You don't hve to run from a barrel but we advise you do and fluctuation in water will affect any machines operation. Why take the risk.... But, the extra pumping distance on the M200 compared to the Ritmo means you probably won't need to move the machine

Any issues with power is the same as 3Phase, 240v and 110v. Some homeowners won't let you plug into there house. And to be honest, the M200 being 110v means you'll never have a worry using it on site, you will have the worry with 240v
i dont promote the ritmo ewi. i told you my thoughts on it.

i didnt mention the m200

i have been running the ritmo on jobs whilst u were in school. I know what makes for the ideal set up and its the same as all the manufacturers have built the machines.
Seperate compressors are unnecessary. the on board built in compressor ìs plenty adequate for 90% of the job's i have worked on in 10 years. occasionally i will need a larger compressor for texturing. so again the built in compressor is more economical that a big 300 lts blasting out for everything.
The only reason you promote to put the compressor away from your machine is because its poxy 110v and has to be as close to the power source as possible to prevent overloading. you made the other crap up to sound good.
in the last few years you have sold your machines with umpteen different compressors. they obviously didnt work very well or u wud of stuck with one design. none of the ones i seen look very portable. at least the v meko is small enough to carry and runs for over half an hour from a 16 amp 110v socket with 25 mts of cable. ive done this with a vmeko

water pumps on the machine are a nuisanse on smaller domestic jobs . the machine is moved around much more. it make better sense to fill a butt out of the way and pump water direct to the machine. if u move the machine you can just take the hose off and re plug it on .
running off mains in domestic is a risk i agree but when ur confident running the machine it can be a calculated risk that makes a little easier
 

Plasterers1StopShop

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i dont promote the ritmo ewi. i told you my thoughts on it.

i didnt mention the m200

i have been running the ritmo on jobs whilst u were in school. I know what makes for the ideal set up and its the same as all the manufacturers have built the machines.
Seperate compressors are unnecessary. the on board built in compressor ìs plenty adequate for 90% of the job's i have worked on in 10 years. occasionally i will need a larger compressor for texturing. so again the built in compressor is more economical that a big 300 lts blasting out for everything.
The only reason you promote to put the compressor away from your machine is because its poxy 110v and has to be as close to the power source as possible to prevent overloading. you made the other crap up to sound good.
in the last few years you have sold your machines with umpteen different compressors. they obviously didnt work very well or u wud of stuck with one design. none of the ones i seen look very portable. at least the v meko is small enough to carry and runs for over half an hour from a 16 amp 110v socket with 25 mts of cable. ive done this with a vmeko

water pumps on the machine are a nuisanse on smaller domestic jobs . the machine is moved around much more. it make better sense to fill a butt out of the way and pump water direct to the machine. if u move the machine you can just take the hose off and re plug it on .
running off mains in domestic is a risk i agree but when ur confident running the machine it can be a calculated risk that makes a little easier

When I was in school? Ian my company was a PFT dealer before you had a machine, pretty sure at one point even my dad taught you how to use one as did Des Miller.

We have used various compressors 4 in fact, to make sure we have the best possible, also we offered two for one machine due to a price difference.

Ian, you haven't even seen our new Air comp in action or used one. It's small enough to carry, runs for over 30mins with ease.

I'll just leave it here and not bother replying anymore. The machines we do sell extremely well and the reviews speak for themselves. I don't slate your products, in fact, compliment them by bringing out a copy! PFT dealers in the U.K. Continue to find holes and slate other products, when you need to do that you know the sales strategy is failing.
 

PFTwales

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Again, incorrect. The M100 can spray renders and backing coats. It gets used for this.

We do however state due to the pumping distance and output it's too slow for Renders.
The exact same output and pumping distance as the 110v Ritmo

When I'm back in the office I'll show you a photo of our first ever machine, over 30 years old. Then you'll see where designs come from

it never did it well enough for you to confidently promote it.

The ritmo Mpumps just as far as the m200. How can it not. its the same size motor.
The Ritmo L pumps further .theres videos to prove it . Of course if i could be bothered i could change the spec sheet on the Ritmo L to update the pumping distance. thats all you have done. and then you have a small print get out clause
** pumping distance depends on material and conditions on the day. if your pumping soup it can do it . if your pumping parex or anything then speed 3 is your boy
 

Plasterers1StopShop

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it never did it well enough for you to confidently promote it.

The ritmo Mpumps just as far as the m200. How can it not. its the same size motor.
The Ritmo L pumps further .theres videos to prove it . Of course if i could be bothered i could change the spec sheet on the Ritmo L to update the pumping distance. thats all you have done. and then you have a small print get out clause
** pumping distance depends on material and conditions on the day. if your pumping soup it can do it . if your pumping parex or anything then speed 3 is your boy

Again, absolute rubbish and a lie created by PFT Dealers! Speed 4 pumps PAREX all day long - look at the videos for proof!

Again you demonstrate a lack of knowledge on the technology you're so keen to discuss. Motor size means very little, it's down to the gear ratio.

I hate to show you up again, but we actually use a pretty much identical caviat to PFT and all machine dealer! Please take note of the bottom of the screenshot

Ours actually states: **Depending on consistency, quality and composition of the material, pump model and - condition, diameter and length of the delivery hose and also the pumping height of the material

The M200 will pump 40m if we want it to, we did 35m with K1 Silicone the other day. But that's pushing the machine, not what's it's designed for. Our data is based on optimums

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PFTwales

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When I was in school? Ian my company was a PFT dealer before you had a machine, pretty sure at one point even my dad taught you how to use one as did Des Miller.

We have used various compressors 4 in fact, to make sure we have the best possible, also we offered two for one machine due to a price difference.

Ian, you haven't even seen our new Air comp in action or used one. It's small enough to carry, runs for over 30mins with ease.

I'll just leave it here and not bother replying anymore. The machines we do sell extremely well and the reviews speak for themselves. I don't slate your products, in fact, compliment them by bringing out a copy! PFT dealers in the U.K. Continue to find holes and slate other products, when you need to do that you know the sales strategy is failing.
You do slate them . you tell anyone the reetmo isnt up to the job.
i have a email this week from a custumer saying he has been told the g4 wont pump silicone k rend only the m330 can do it.

you compare the m200 to givin the g4 a run for its money.
the K4 is £2500 cheaper than a genuine PFT and for people to come justify the extra pounds they could be wasting.

I dont mean to sound negative towards ur compressor. its just 110v compressors in general. i dont like large tanks or belts for a machine thats in an out of vans everyday. the v mek has proved to be the best 110v i have used . the high price tag reflects its quality and would be the one i use
 

Plasterers1StopShop

Private Member
M200 spraying PAREX with 20m of hose on speed 4.

Hopefully that will put your rumours to bed.

Have a good day, I'm off to a charity golf game before my wedding. Clocking off till next week :numberone:

 

Plasterers1StopShop

Private Member
You do slate them . you tell anyone the reetmo isnt up to the job.
i have a email this week from a custumer saying he has been told the g4 wont pump silicone k rend only the m330 can do it.

you compare the m200 to givin the g4 a run for its money.
the K4 is £2500 cheaper than a genuine PFT and for people to come justify the extra pounds they could be wasting.

I dont mean to sound negative towards ur compressor. its just 110v compressors in general. i dont like large tanks or belts for a machine thats in an out of vans everyday. the v mek has proved to be the best 110v i have used . the high price tag reflects its quality and would be the one i use

Please prove the email. I have said to people that the single action mixer such as the K4 and G4 did struggle with K-Rend Egrade yet the M330 doesn't - that's a fact

We sell a lot of K4's so that's says enough to me, but a shed load more M330's

Again, zero knowledge on our compressor - no tank or belt!

PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!!! It boring debating with something who makes stuff up
 

PFTwales

Well-Known Member
Again, absolute rubbish and a lie created by PFT Dealers! Speed 4 pumps PAREX all day long - look at the videos for proof!

Again you demonstrate a lack of knowledge on the technology you're so keen to discuss. Motor size means very little, it's down to the gear ratio.

I hate to show you up again, but we actually use a pretty much identical caviat to PFT and all machine dealer! Please take note of the bottom of the screenshot

Ours actually states: **Depending on consistency, quality and composition of the material, pump model and - condition, diameter and length of the delivery hose and also the pumping height of the material

The M200 will pump 40m if we want it to, we did 35m with K1 Silicone the other day. But that's pushing the machine, not what's it's designed for. Our data is based on optimums

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dont worry about showing me up .im a big boy i can handle it.

M tecs european actual specs for the m200 are similar in output and distance to ritmo spec sheets

why dont m tec just stick with your desighn. with twice the power and in 230v it would actually give any 3 phase machine a run for its money
 

Plasterers1StopShop

Private Member
dont worry about showing me up .im a big boy i can handle it.

M tecs european actual specs for the m200 are similar in output and distance to ritmo spec sheets

why dont m tec just stick with your desighn. with twice the power and in 230v it would actually give any 3 phase machine a run for its money

Again, the EU version is nothing like the AJH design as stated a long time ago.

We don't sell 240v as they can't be used on all sites in the UK
 

PFTwales

Well-Known Member
Again, the EU version is nothing like the AJH design as stated a long time ago.

We don't sell 240v as they can't be used on all sites in the UK

M tec decided to make a Ritmo copy and you adapted it to ur own specification. The M200 Basics are all there, like i said you had the chassis and just copied the Ritmo EWI for the way you adapted the machine.
You would think though that M tec themselves would be much better off just copying your ground breaking technology for higher outputs and greater pumping distances rather than have 1 dealer selling a better version of the same machine.
 

Plasterers1StopShop

Private Member
M tec decided to make a Ritmo copy and you adapted it to ur own specification. The M200 Basics are all there, like i said you had the chassis and just copied the Ritmo EWI for the way you adapted the machine.
You would think though that M tec themselves would be much better off just copying your ground breaking technology for higher outputs and greater pumping distances rather than have 1 dealer selling a better version of the same machine.

Ian, you honestly have no idea. You constantly make assumptions without fact making your comments laughable

When you know the story behind the M200 let's talk
 

PFTwales

Well-Known Member
it dont take too much imagination to see why they made a single phase mixing pump that worked
Ill take a stab in the dark and say M tec took 10 years to see that the Ritmo worked so eventually copied it.


Or

M tec actually got stuck in 2005 playing snake on their nokia 3510 until a couple of years ago when they opened the curtains and we were all using I phones and ritmos
 

vfr12

MOTORC*NT
It's been said before on here get a Romo for mono:D.
On a serious note.... we never saw the man vs machine fight, it took Vincey couple of months to find out the machine can supply water instead of pouring it down, :D but .... I am looking forward to the dealers competition. Let's put this at rest once for all;). I would love to see all this words put into action, otherwise is just a banter .
 

Plasterers1StopShop

Private Member
it dont take too much imagination to see why they made a single phase mixing pump that worked
Ill take a stab in the dark and say M tec took 10 years to see that the Ritmo worked so eventually copied it.


Or

M tec actually got stuck in 2005 playing snake on their nokia 3510 until a couple of years ago when they opened the curtains and we were all using I phones and ritmos

You excel yourself everyday Ian. Literally laugh at PFT's posts now. It's a shame to such a high quality brand being let down by their dealers
 

luckylad

Member
"When I was in school? Ian my company was a PFT dealer before you had a machine, pretty sure at one point even my dad taught you how to use one as did Des Miller."

One of the things I've learned from this thread is,be careful who you employ as an apprentice!
 

bobski

Well-Known Member
It's been said before on here get a Romo for mono:D.
On a serious note.... we never saw the man vs machine fight, it took Vincey couple of months to find out the machine can supply water instead of pouring it down, :D but .... I am looking forward to the dealers competition. Let's put this at rest once for all;). I would love to see all this words put into action, otherwise is just a banter .




What you got in mind?

How would a dealers competition go?
 

vfr12

MOTORC*NT
what you wanna see
For begining K4 vs G4, m200 vs L, m200 vs M. Distance , height and material consistency will be the key points. And last but not least the ball size of the participants, cos at the end of the day it might be all down to the user actually.
 

PFTwales

Well-Known Member
"When I was in school? Ian my company was a PFT dealer before you had a machine, pretty sure at one point even my dad taught you how to use one as did Des Miller."

One of the things I've learned from this thread is,be careful who you employ as an apprentice!

you lost me there.
 

Beenereb4

Active Member
Any machine in the right hands will get the job done but unless you have a collection of machines at your disposal no single machine is the perfect machine for every job.
 

B29

New Member
I've just bough a bigger machine and generator so thinking of selling the ritmo L.... not sure if there's much of a market for them or if you'd get much ££ back. It's 2 years old and obviously well used but everything's there. Or do I just keep it for smaller domestic jobs where I can plug it in the mains as it's 240v
Did the ritmo sell ?
 

Martin Riddell

Active Member
Sorry been flat out so haven’t been on here, yea im looking to sell it. If u message me for details etc prob easier to get my number and talk about all the details etc
 
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