Planning Permissions For A Loft Conversion In A Flat

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Alright chaps :)

So I am looking at buying a flat I use to rent a couple of yeas ago as it has come on the market and the loft in it is a monster and I want to convert it into a a monster home office :) All I plan is the usual but putting Velux windows in it ect..

Now do I need planning permission? I figure I would because of the Velux.. but just wondered if ill need to know anything else?

The 6 flats are owned by the occupiers and they are all self managed etc :)

Thanks again :)

Danny
 
Yeah I would go through planning first...

I would own the loft space but the whole building owns the roof :)
 
It is probably a shared roof I doubt it's the responsibility of the top flat it will be what your paying for in service charges for maintainance of the roof and if you did get to own it you would be responsible for any damage to any of the flats if the roof blew offmlol
 
You don't normally need planning unless it's conservation but will need regs if there is anything similar on the road are if it's been done
 
I have a meeting with the other owners of the flats tomorrow morning to discuss our plans :) They alll love myself and Jane as we looked after them in winter doing their shopping and what not when we lived there :)

We don't want dormers just a few velux windows which will give us a sea view :) the loft is huge :) So plan on splitting it in half one half for storage and the other for the office :) I don't want to take over a bedroom anymore as I need to also be able to escape work :)
 
Is it lease hold or free hold here where the problem starts a can of worms mate if the flats worth it on It's own fair enough but I wouldn't bother otherwise.
 
Is it lease hold or free hold here where the problem starts a can of worms mate if the flats worth it on It's own fair enough but I wouldn't bother otherwise.

how can a flat be freehold?
if the conversion goes ahead there will need to be rsj put in the roof. the roof was designed to take the weight of the roof tiles only not extra rooms.
i would not throw any more money into this idea.
 
how can a flat be freehold?
if the conversion goes ahead there will need to be rsj put in the roof. the roof was designed to take the weight of the roof tiles only not extra rooms.
i would not throw any more money into this idea.
A flat can be freehold or a shared freehold, some flats can be greatly increased in value through loft additions ,depends on the area..
 
how can a flat be freehold?
if the conversion goes ahead there will need to be rsj put in the roof. the roof was designed to take the weight of the roof tiles only not extra rooms.
i would not throw any more money into this idea.
You buy it off the landlord
 
Get the right advice, speak to the local planners, it's all about homework, private surveyors I find for building control are better than using the council, good plans, good structural engineer, all boxes ticked, nice relations with neighbours , good organisation with tradespeople, the a b c
 
We will own one 6th of the leasehold and the leasehold is rolling :)

Oh yes its a cracker of a flat :) 3 double bedrooms a huge huge hallway with a garage and private gardens :)

Would it add value to the property? Hell yes we are paying bottom end of what its worth due to being run down :)

Property in this area are all different and not many houses are the same so planning is fairly lenient... I have a few good friends who are surveyors :)

We looked at a house today and it was sooo small and they converted this pokey loft and jane fell in love with it but she would rather live in this first floor flat :)

Danny
 
Velux windows are a strange one, some times they require nothing, but other times they are a nightmare.
I have a rental property with a decent attic( already converted, but with no velux) so I put one in, and it turns out that because it's in a conservation area I have to apply for permission, I applied for retrospective permission , the neighbours objected because they said it over looked there patio -( it didn't really) and the council said it spoilt the appearance of the property, so I appealed the decision and lost.
in the end I had to take it out, and the whole process cost me over a grand and a lot of stress.
 
We will own one 6th of the leasehold and the leasehold is rolling :)

Oh yes its a cracker of a flat :) 3 double bedrooms a huge huge hallway with a garage and private gardens :)

Would it add value to the property? Hell yes we are paying bottom end of what its worth due to being run down :)

Property in this area are all different and not many houses are the same so planning is fairly lenient... I have a few good friends who are surveyors :)

We looked at a house today and it was sooo small and they converted this pokey loft and jane fell in love with it but she would rather live in this first floor flat :)

Danny
Freehold I think you mean,
 
thats a good idea dan,, i never thought of that,,,,,,, rent a flat,, run it down and then buy it cheap a couple of years later,,, lol:RpS_laugh:
 
A flat can be freehold or a shared freehold, some flats can be greatly increased in value through loft additions ,depends on the area..

They can also be a flying freehold and solicitors cack their pants evreytime they come across one, well every one i've ever dealt with anyway
 
I have a meeting with the other owners of the flats tomorrow morning to discuss our plans :) They alll love myself and Jane as we looked after them in winter doing their shopping and what not when we lived there :)

We don't want dormers just a few velux windows which will give us a sea view :) the loft is huge :) So plan on splitting it in half one half for storage and the other for the office :) I don't want to take over a bedroom anymore as I need to also be able to escape work :)

Jane and I.....................howay man Daniel speak proper
 
Just a wild stab in the dark.................which is what you'll be getting if you dont start being a bit more helpful...............:RpS_wink:
 
Buying a flat with a share of freehold
Tuesday, 16 April 2013 00:00 By Mark Sadler
Conveyancing clients often get confused when they are interested in buying a flat which has a 'share of freehold'. The 'share of freehold' aspect is usually marketed heavily by the estate agents especially in London. The confusion sometimes comes from the fact that 'freehold flats' are generally not considered good security for lenders and, save in specific parts of the country, are unusual. A 'share of freehold' is sold with the leasehold flat - the leasehold interest is retained and is still the most valuable part but you also aquire a separate shared title or ownership in the freehold.


What is a 'share of freehold'?


There are two basic set ups for the ownership of the freehold, the first is that the freehold is owned jointly by a number (up to four) of the flat owners in their personal names and the second is where a company is the owner of the freehold and each of the tenants hold a share or membership in that company. Therefore when you obtain a share in the freehold your name will either be noted on the title deeds or you will be issued a share in the company that owns the freehold. In either case you will then own a share in the freehold.


Why not remove the lease and create a freehold flat?


Because of the legal differences between freehold and leasehold titles it is never a good idea to merge the lease into the freehold title. This is because basically postive obligations e.g. to pay service charges and maintain your property would not easily pass from owner to owner in a freehold context. It can be done but the mechanisms are more complex than holding a leasehold title where these obligations run naturally with the land - that is to say they pass from owner to owner without any special steps being take on sale. Essentially therefore the communal obligations would simply fall apart if everyone held a freehold flat.


What are the advantages?


As we said agents often push the "share of freehold" as a positive and generally it is. A lease alone is a wasting asset - it becomes less valuable as time goes on as it gets shorter. Eventually you will need to extend the lease and normally if you have a share of freehold you will not be required to pay for this. It is therefore cheap and easy to achieve (see our article on extending your lease with a share of freehold). This can be a significant saving for example to extend a lease of around 70 years you would pay £15,000 and upwards to an independent landlord (based on a flat worth around £250,000).


You will also have greater control over how the maintenance on the building it dealt with - you are not at the whim of a independent landlord who may attempt to overcharge for repair costs - the tenants will generally be interested in keeping the property in good repair at the most economic cost.


If you are buying you will still need to consider whether the flat owners' system, however basic, is in place for repair and that there are no problems or disputes between the tenants which could cause difficulties in maintaining or insuring the block in the future. Generally you would seek information from one of the other co-freeholders to verify any information provided by the seller on these points. The best advice is to speak to the other owners before you purchase to get a feel of how the block is run especially if it is a smaller block where you will need to interact with neighbours after you purchase.


Overall you generally find that self managed/owned blocks have a lower average service charge.


What are the disadvantages?


In smaller blocks there may be some obligations that one or more of the tenants need to keep on top of e.g. filing accounts and annual returns for the freehold company (there are fines if you file even dormant accounts late and if the company is struck off the cost of reinstatement can be expensive). You will need to ensure the block is insured and the premium is collected and paid each year.


Maintenance on an ad hoc basis can also cause spikes in the service charge if for example major works are required in any one year. This would be offset if there was a sinking or reserve fund set up which was paid into each year. Generally these arrangements are only put in place where there is a separate managing agent running the block - this is usual for larger blocks with a share of freehold but for smaller blocks the administration costs charged by a management company may be relatively expensive.


If the freehold is owned jointly in the personal names of the tenants it can also be difficult to get the other owners to sign the transfer of the freehold when the flat is sold. The Land Registry also require identification from each owner. This can be frustrating to arrange this when the flat is being sold and one of the co-owners is away!


However on balance the advantages generally far outweigh the disadvantages and the share of freehold will always help in the marketability of the flat in the future.


How we can help


We are specialists in dealing with leasehold sale and purchases with a share of freehold including lease extension work.


If you require information about our conveyancing service email Mark Sadler on 01708 757575 email mbs@ker.co.uk



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Last Updated ( Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:55 )
 
yes john ,what a can of worms that is.
it is a nice flat 3 beds just leave it alone either live in it or rent it out.for the costs of the conversion of the roof space you could purchase an other flat.
one of my pals build flats, puts the block into a limited company, as soon as the last one is sold he resigns from the company as he has no interest left and leaves the flat owner to sort themselves out.
 
yes john ,what a can of worms that is.
it is a nice flat 3 beds just leave it alone either live in it or rent it out.for the costs of the conversion of the roof space you could purchase an other flat.
one of my pals build flats, puts the block into a limited company, as soon as the last one is sold he resigns from the company as he has no interest left and leaves the flat owner to sort themselves out.
I assume he sells the freeholdfreehold
 
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