Lime Render on Lath

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How do i find out what the first / second coat applications for lime render need to be?
how do I know if I'm getting it right?
I know that hairs have to be mixed with the plaster and that lime putty has to be left to stand over night when mixed with sand.
But can anybody tell me what is the propper formular and proceedure for this job and how long can I leave the first coat before going back to do the topcoat?
 
cant be sure but i think gary b was selling some horsehair not too long ago..might be worth a pm...
 
what IS the method church? not something ive ever gotten involved in, bit of a specialist job to my mind...still wouldnt mind the knowledge just to save me lookin a twonk if i ever get asked  :D
 
Well i can only speak from external point of view one of the most important things is looking after it  during the project and after ,its not like s+c  you have to protect it from the sun wind  cold and rain for 72 hours after you have put it on the wall , the method is a  bit different than we are use to , like you dont rule off the top coat, if its three coat work you can rule the 2nd coat  and the top coat in finished with just a float ( cross grain woodern type ) poly floats are ok but its best to go with wood  as it leaves the surface "open" which helps the curing of the lime ,also the scratching of the base coats is different to s+c instead of horizontal wavy lines  you do it in daimond shapes using almost vertical lines ( if you know what i mean ).

Mixing the lime takes ages about 20 mins per gauge , i mix it on site but you can buy it  pre mixed(dry) but theres no real quick way to do it its a slow process and thats it , the mix is 2-1 sand to lime, its the strengths of  lime you change 5.0 ,3.5 and 2.0 being the weakest  and you use a sharp washed sand for 1st coats a mix of soft and sharp for the second and a soft wash or silver sand for top coats , the sand has to be spotlessly clean all the time and well covered when not in use .

As for using the sfuff  its heavy and dead and when its got the hair in it smells  a bit , once its out the mixer it starts to stiffen straight away but you can knock it back , the first two coats are physically harder to use than s+c but the top coat easyier , let me know if thats what you wanted to know ?
 
oh depending on the weather 5-7 day between coats  keep the cure slow and dont soak the walls with water, it specailist work and its all the preparation and the after care
 
Are talking about internal or external  :-/


The job we started today is quite an extensive barn renovation, all internal. (But I'm thinking of offering some help on a single external wall). One of the brickies knocked up the gear, and I don't know what mix he's used so I'm assuming it's 2;1 as you said and thats using lime putty/sand and goats hairs. We started it today and everything fine except for the occassional lump of goat. The gears been left covered up nicely for a couple of weeks and mixes up well with just a dash of water(and its going round in the mixer for half an hour or so)
We're also plastering over those green straw bricks on one of the walls. Can't remember what they're called but I've seen them before.
 
Are talking about internal or external  :-/


By the looks of things we'll be putting on the first coat for the next 3-4 days and thats before we even get to touch the ceiling, as the thatchers dont even start work till tomorrow.

I take it that the second coat is a 1;2 limeputty/sand+ hairs and the top coat is without hair and a weeker ratio of limeputty. I think I can remember using hydrated-lime before(thats the stuff in bags that tastes like lemons) :p

The other job I mentioned is an external wall.The job is being run by a voluntary group, and even though i may not be going to spread it I'd like to at least keep an eye on what's going on. I'm not a great lover of blisters but I do love these old barns and state of the art newbuilds.

I'm not sure if the chain of comand always exits to let us know what ratio's materials are to be used. Do you get a spec'sheet or is it all guess work(erm memorised)? ;D

Thanks for the interest chaps and the help. will let you know how things go

ps
Do you find that the keyboard on you computer begins to desintegrate when you're rendering with lime ? :-[
 
correction 3:1 on the first coat, (and on the second. ::) )
and when the cows come home we'll get to start the ceiling.

the lads supplying the lime and the lathes have sorted out all the ratios and tonnage :)  
 
I done a job a few years ago with lime and horsehair onto lath it was middle of summer and was boiling hot and it just kept crazing all over had to put a hose onto it for a few days whilst troweling it in, i was later told you have to put soaked hessian sheets over it but part of it was a ceiling and that was crazing as well, after a few days it was all fine, but its not something i would like to do again.
 
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