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i set this up a few weeks ago for on and off site training cos its the chicken and egg scenario now ie how do you get experience fixing eifs systems if your not allowed on site? which will be happening very soon, will be teachin the the basic retrofit systems only though... any thoughts lads? constructive only please
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Looks good where will it be based, this is something i know i need more experiance with
 
There's a Glasgow Co offering free NVQ2's in this. They have signed me and the lads up. It is something to do with Swindon College. All you need to do is to let them see you doing insulation work somewhere and then your in. Maybe you could offer training and get them to offer A NVQ chucked in as well. Their name sounded like Geeson Ltd but I cant understand the Glaswegians. Waiting for the paper work to come through.
 
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Free training sounds canny. even better if its in the north east like.....:RpS_thumbsup:
 
Rigsby said:
There's a Glasgow Co offering free NVQ2's in this. They have signed me and the lads up. It is something to do with Swindon College. All you need to do is to let them see you doing insulation work somewhere and then your in. Maybe you could offer training and get them to offer A NVQ chucked in as well. Their name sounded like Geeson Ltd but I cant understand the Glaswegians. Waiting for the paper work to come through.
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what you be better doing john would be subbying to a big firm fitting EWI so they can come and asses you properly otherwise it could take ages to qual you.

they might come once and see you tracking up and boarding, then they might come again to see you meshing or spraying, then again to see the acrylics but they do it over say 5 or so practical site visits. you can do all the theory visits/tests in your house they will visit you there for that separately but if you dont do much thermal it will be a pain gathering your practical. I did mine over about 4 different jobs but were always fitting thermal systems, did all my tests at home with a brew.

still got one more lad just finishing off now who only started his this yr.
 
There you go positive comments for fcuking once... cant belive it... i am getting my NVQ II because of grandfather status and my work has been documented admitedly by myself via youtube vids etc but i took the time in 2001 to get applicator and trainer approved status by Dryvit sort a few crap jobs out for them in kuwait and high rise flats in london... the lads doing the work that i condemned didnt like me at all.. but after 1 week of showing them how easy it was, and making their lifes easier doing the work, they could take a pride in the job... we all know that there are short cuts you can take... f me i do... but only for productivity not by skimping on materials or pricing... when i measure a job up for eifs i treat it like a jigsaw... and pre cut all my boards before i even start the job
 
If you go on the SAS insulated render training course they get Geasons to assess you in their workshop. I may have found a more local insulation supplier to do training with Geasons present. They are negotiating at the moment. Will let you know the outcome.

If not, can we come on your job John. Are you doing any refurb work at the moment or still new build.
 
Rigsby said:
If you go on the SAS insulated render training course they get Geasons to assess you in their workshop. I may have found a more local insulation supplier to do training with Geasons present. They are negotiating at the moment. Will let you know the outcome.

If not, can we come on your job John. Are you doing any refurb work at the moment or still new build.
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Were skimming mate at the mo, booked some internals for the winter like....

if you get stuck mate for thermal work and i have got something on the go I will help you out of course. Its interesting that they are prepared to see you at SAS training centre I might have a word with my assesor about such a set up. I am currently half way through my level 3 supervisors qualification, some sites we do demand we have our specific title/trade on the cscs card.

have you got any nvq's already?
 
CurrierPlastering said:
Ok say i wanted to get trained in this what is the best route? Im in Kent
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I got EIFS training with Weber and Marmorit. Weber & SAS will charge £150 but SAS will get you a nvq as well. Marmorit was free. I have a CSCS card for rendering John which does not require a NVQ and the only qualification I have is City & Guilds in solid and fibrous plastering gained in 1975.
 
CurrierPlastering said:
Ok say i wanted to get trained in this what is the best route? Im in Kent
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Pretty much what I have told Rigsby up the page, you need to know the systems well before an on site assessment will get you an NVQ remember they assume you do it all time and want to come for an hour and just watch you doing it to spec and then agree they will sign you off, they aint there to teach you anything or tell you how it goes they will spot it if you can or cant apply. (obviously they cant just hand out quals in something to people if they dont know how to do the job)

so if you are doing it at work already, try and get on the NVQ enrollment or if you dont do it and dont have any years experience in it then get on for a firm who are fitting it all the time like is the best bet cos there are loads of different systems out there and a couple of years on tools you will need to get round all the specs. if you have solid NVQ or plastering NVQ it could be difficult to get on BTW

remember NVQ is not something the gov will let everyone keep doing over and over - I suppose they believe you get one shot at paid education they wont afford to chuck em at you left right and center so check out if you are eligable for funding or part funding


the on site assessment is a skilled worker qual designed for folk who have been trading for years but with no quals starting from scratch will be harder so cant really be sure how to go about that
 
lucius said:
No offence to anyone but what a load of bollox just to go out and get a days wages.
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sort of agree

TBH mate I seen the rates shrink and shrink on the EWI over the years, this green deal has people buzzing but for me i just se it making it worse = there will just be more people doing it = even more competetive rates, thats why i am trying to take more and more traditional work
 
E.I.F.S training was mandatory here in Namerica at one time....you could not buy without the manufacturers approval........even then companies cheated ...screwed it up and E.I.F.S took a back seat.....done wrong and eifs is a disater.
we had high rise buildings with sheets actually blowing off the wall....drywall companies bidding it with there interior bids ,hiring any dick off the street .....and screwed it all up.....eifs is still being done today ...but all the architects are scared of it ,and it is not specced nearly as much as it should be,instead the architects are designing buildings ...eliminating exterior stucco/eifs,using glass,concrete,hardipanel instead
today ...ANYONE can be an eifs installer
 
authenticlime said:
E.I.F.S training was mandatory here in Namerica at one time....you could not buy without the manufacturers approval........even then companies cheated ...screwed it up and E.I.F.S took a back seat.....done wrong and eifs is a disater.
we had high rise buildings with sheets actually blowing off the wall....drywall companies bidding it with there interior bids ,hiring any dick off the street .....and screwed it all up.....eifs is still being done today ...but all the architects are scared of it ,and it is not specced nearly as much as it should be,instead the architects are designing buildings ...eliminating exterior stucco/eifs,using glass,concrete,hardipanel instead
today ...ANYONE can be an eifs installer
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I could not agree more with this, in fact I have said this exact same thing myself to an INCA representative because this situation is exactly the same in the uk.
I know of of two architecture practices that will NOT specify EWI/EIFS because they have been let down on previous developements by big drywall firms taking the packages on and letting anyone loose on it.

Another problem in the uk is that they dont want to hire a specialist installer because its too much paperwork having another contractor on site, they much prefer for the Drywall firm to fit all the external metal, internal metal, all trowelled and wet work. only one firm to deal with and less hassle at tender stage, but the bad effects this attitude has can mean doom for the future of EIFS, it already has a bad name here because no one fits it right with disastrous consequences.

In the UK MC's/building industry only care about speed and cost, not the long term quality.
 
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EIFS done right ...is excellent,it is also easier on the applicator...the plasterer ...which is my biggest peeve about the whole EIFS industry getting screwed up for the almighty pound,I would never put sand n'cement on an exterior wall ever again ..... today I do not even offer the system to any customers ....why? cuz I cant compete with the idiots out there ...lost a job one time when I showed the owner the benefits of EIFS.......he then went shopping

on the other hand there are discerning homeowners who want it all, high quality ...and not scared to pay for it....heres an EIFS project I did about 7 years ago with the Sto Gold Gaurd System,finished with Marmorino ...this exterior has gotten me so much high end work it is not funny
the EIFS is 4 inches thick....the walls are wood frame with 8" with spray foam insulation.....total R value 52 ! ( I forget what the UK insulation values are called ? )

 
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