Artex Ceilings/ Possible Asbestos

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I now never scrape Artex ceilings or walls just to be on the safe side, if there is Asbestos in it and you go scraping it off and the customer questions it or they know about it prior to you starting you can end up in a world of Sh××e. Either overboard it if possible or a heavy coat of Bonding first before Skimming it and charge them more. Whatever extra you charge them will be a lot less than a specialist removing it all for them.

good in theory but in reality next spread will just take peaks off n skim. Not always an option to over board. Coving, 3 storey house etc etc.

very rarely does it need scraping hard. Take peaks off at a push.

I’ve gone to a few jobs where customers already took a power sander to artex to get it ready lol
 
Also, over boarding is higher risk than knocking 40 year old rock hard painted peaks off. You’ll smash holes to find joists = dust form. Also screwing into it.

felt bit inunendoey that
 
I now never scrape Artex ceilings or walls just to be on the safe side, if there is Asbestos in it and you go scraping it off and the customer questions it or they know about it prior to you starting you can end up in a world of Sh××e. Either overboard it if possible or a heavy coat of Bonding first before Skimming it and charge them more. Whatever extra you charge them will be a lot less than a specialist removing it all for them.
M8 if this asbestos in artex is danger to us all.. Y don't we hear many plastrers whith asbestos on lungs over the years. I haven't heard of one plastrer suffering whith it Heard lads working factory lads working on roofs whith the old soffit herd many stories non whith plastrers very strange as we s**t about whith dust every day
 
good in theory but in reality next spread will just take peaks off n skim. Not always an option to over board. Coving, 3 storey house etc etc.

very rarely does it need scraping hard. Take peaks off at a push.

I’ve gone to a few jobs where customers already took a power sander to artex to get it ready lol
A lot of domestic jobs that I do customers are aware of possible Asbestos in ceilings so I tell them that I won't be scraping it and it puts their minds at ease.
 
Biggest scam ever !
How many of you smoke & post will I die too soon
There is a cure for cancer however the elites will not use this as they can not patent it ...
& you all must get cancer so they can fooking make billions from it !
Most people will all have had cancer at least six times in their lifetime
& will never know they had it
 
Biggest scam ever !
How many of you smoke & post will I die too soon
There is a cure for cancer however the elites will not use this as they can not patent it ...
& you all must get cancer so they can fooking make billions from it !
Most people will all have had cancer at least six times in their lifetime
& will never know they had it
If they do billions y can't they save hundred and sixty thousand people every year that day of cancer in the UK. babies young children young adult including the elderly
 
If they do billions y can't they save hundred and sixty thousand people every year that day of cancer in the UK. babies young children young adult including the elderly

They do not cure the cancer they
Treat the symptom
By either removing it / poison it.chemo /burn it radiotherapy
Why tell people how to prevent /cure / cancer
Big pharma would loose billions
& big pharma can not patent the cure
As anyone can sources this
 
They do not cure the cancer they
Treat the symptom
By either removing it / poison it.chemo /burn it radiotherapy
Why tell people how to prevent /cure / cancer
Big pharma would loose billions
& big pharma can not patent the cure
As anyone can sources this
They will never find a cure to wipe cancer nothing to do whith money.
 
They do not cure the cancer they
Treat the symptom
By either removing it / poison it.chemo /burn it radiotherapy
Why tell people how to prevent /cure / cancer
Big pharma would loose billions
& big pharma can not patent the cure
As anyone can sources this

You do realise people within the big pharmaceutical companies and the 'elites', also doctors and surgeons, scientists all die of cancer too right?

So who exactly is allowed into this club where they keep the cure secret?

You also think the world is flat right?
 
You do realise people within the big pharmaceutical companies and the 'elites', also doctors and surgeons, scientists all die of cancer too right?

So who exactly is allowed into this club where they keep the cure secret?

You also think the world is flat right?
Exactly this bloke in Cooke land
 
Exactly this bloke in Cooke land

There is actually a psychological explanation regards to people who believe in conspiracy theories.. they very rarely believe in just one, they believe in multiple conspiracies, quite interesting when you read up on it.
 
There is actually a psychological explanation regards to people who believe in conspiracy theories.. they very rarely believe in just one, they believe in multiple conspiracies, quite interesting when you read up on it.
I've met 2 , your right in both cases , no offense to dollar but these two were pretty thick and had an adversion to any information however well delivered if they had already been told something however ridiculous by someone they respected and couldn't overide it , a bit like religion I guess
 
I've met 2 , your right in both cases , no offense to dollar but these two were pretty thick and had an adversion to any information however well delivered if they had already been told something however ridiculous by someone they respected and couldn't overide it , a bit like religion I guess
You get a lot of supposedly highly educated people like that, they cannot think for themselves.
 
You do realise people within the big pharmaceutical companies and the 'elites', also doctors and surgeons, scientists all die of cancer too right?

So who exactly is allowed into this club where they keep the cure secret?

You also think the world is flat right?

Brainwashed ! It is not your fault
from childhood you have been taught nothing else
You also think the earth is a globe ?
 
Technically there is no safe exposure to asbestos and the official guidance would be never to scrape or sand artex unless tested.
But in reality we know that the body is better at clearing white asbestos than blue or brown.If you have damaged lungs e/g smoking paralyses the hairs that work like an escalator lifting dust to the back of the throat then you may be more at risk.

Asbestos causes a variety of lung diseases - asbestosis is similar to silicosis which you can get from long term exposure to industrial dusts and will cause progressive breathing problems and shortness of breath. We know that people who smoke and have significant asbestos exposure are *more likely* to develop asbestosis.

Mesothelioma is less linked to smokers and presents late because the tumor is pretty big and spreads by the time you get symptoms. There appears to be a genetic component - so just because two people have the same exposure it doesn't mean if one gets it the other will not (some wives of asbestos workers died of mesothelioma presumably from dusting their overalls, but not always their husbands).

Artex is a tricky one. Even if you chip or scrape top off the asbestos 1-2% is likely still bonded to the 'plaster' component of artex. Given that the artex mix was originally powder you would expect the greatest risk to be at mixing stage.
However if you sand it then you are much more likely to release millions of particles.
You don't want to expose home owners to ongoing risks especially children who appear to be much more susceptible.

If you think you have had a lot of exposure in the past particularly to lagging or other nasty types then a chest xray might reveal 'pleural plaques' which are an indicator of previous asbestos exposure that was not cleared- they are not a disease in themeselves but clearly you are more at risk of developing abestosis or mesothelioma if they are noted.

The idea that a single shard of asbestos can kill you needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as there are asbestos particles in the air we breathe in cities and even in the drinking water.

There have been studies into showers to see if the spray of water (which will have some asbestos in it) could end up in the lungs (probably not).

So..... after all that there seem to be a bit of luck or bad luck associated with say mesothelioma.
But why take any unnecessary risk. You have to assume that a single exposure to the blue/brown asbestos puts you at significant risk and white asbestos may do if you are unlucky with your genes.

There's no point worrying after exposure, you are still more likely to die of a fatal heart attack or suicide or a road traffic accident.
 
Technically there is no safe exposure to asbestos and the official guidance would be never to scrape or sand artex unless tested.
But in reality we know that the body is better at clearing white asbestos than blue or brown.If you have damaged lungs e/g smoking paralyses the hairs that work like an escalator lifting dust to the back of the throat then you may be more at risk.

Asbestos causes a variety of lung diseases - asbestosis is similar to silicosis which you can get from long term exposure to industrial dusts and will cause progressive breathing problems and shortness of breath. We know that people who smoke and have significant asbestos exposure are *more likely* to develop asbestosis.

Mesothelioma is less linked to smokers and presents late because the tumor is pretty big and spreads by the time you get symptoms. There appears to be a genetic component - so just because two people have the same exposure it doesn't mean if one gets it the other will not (some wives of asbestos workers died of mesothelioma presumably from dusting their overalls, but not always their husbands).

Artex is a tricky one. Even if you chip or scrape top off the asbestos 1-2% is likely still bonded to the 'plaster' component of artex. Given that the artex mix was originally powder you would expect the greatest risk to be at mixing stage.
However if you sand it then you are much more likely to release millions of particles.
You don't want to expose home owners to ongoing risks especially children who appear to be much more susceptible.

If you think you have had a lot of exposure in the past particularly to lagging or other nasty types then a chest xray might reveal 'pleural plaques' which are an indicator of previous asbestos exposure that was not cleared- they are not a disease in themeselves but clearly you are more at risk of developing abestosis or mesothelioma if they are noted.

The idea that a single shard of asbestos can kill you needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as there are asbestos particles in the air we breathe in cities and even in the drinking water.

There have been studies into showers to see if the spray of water (which will have some asbestos in it) could end up in the lungs (probably not).

So..... after all that there seem to be a bit of luck or bad luck associated with say mesothelioma.
But why take any unnecessary risk. You have to assume that a single exposure to the blue/brown asbestos puts you at significant risk and white asbestos may do if you are unlucky with your genes.

There's no point worrying after exposure, you are still more likely to die of a fatal heart attack or suicide or a road traffic accident.
Asbestos used in car brake linings , don't hear much about that floating around footpaths do we
 
Technically there is no safe exposure to asbestos and the official guidance would be never to scrape or sand artex unless tested.
But in reality we know that the body is better at clearing white asbestos than blue or brown.If you have damaged lungs e/g smoking paralyses the hairs that work like an escalator lifting dust to the back of the throat then you may be more at risk.

Asbestos causes a variety of lung diseases - asbestosis is similar to silicosis which you can get from long term exposure to industrial dusts and will cause progressive breathing problems and shortness of breath. We know that people who smoke and have significant asbestos exposure are *more likely* to develop asbestosis.

Mesothelioma is less linked to smokers and presents late because the tumor is pretty big and spreads by the time you get symptoms. There appears to be a genetic component - so just because two people have the same exposure it doesn't mean if one gets it the other will not (some wives of asbestos workers died of mesothelioma presumably from dusting their overalls, but not always their husbands).

Artex is a tricky one. Even if you chip or scrape top off the asbestos 1-2% is likely still bonded to the 'plaster' component of artex. Given that the artex mix was originally powder you would expect the greatest risk to be at mixing stage.
However if you sand it then you are much more likely to release millions of particles.
You don't want to expose home owners to ongoing risks especially children who appear to be much more susceptible.

If you think you have had a lot of exposure in the past particularly to lagging or other nasty types then a chest xray might reveal 'pleural plaques' which are an indicator of previous asbestos exposure that was not cleared- they are not a disease in themeselves but clearly you are more at risk of developing abestosis or mesothelioma if they are noted.

The idea that a single shard of asbestos can kill you needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as there are asbestos particles in the air we breathe in cities and even in the drinking water.

There have been studies into showers to see if the spray of water (which will have some asbestos in it) could end up in the lungs (probably not).

So..... after all that there seem to be a bit of luck or bad luck associated with say mesothelioma.
But why take any unnecessary risk. You have to assume that a single exposure to the blue/brown asbestos puts you at significant risk and white asbestos may do if you are unlucky with your genes.

There's no point worrying after exposure, you are still more likely to die of a fatal heart attack or suicide or a road traffic accident.
100% agree you are more likely to die of a fatal heart attack.
 
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