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flynnyman said:
Andy might of been a teacher but with only the teaching qual, that anyone can get even a thicko like you :) If you think "fibrous is a completely different sector a trade in it's own right" then your wrong. fair enough You could either be one or the other but as a fully time served spread your qualified in both. Andy it will be a long day before your lad will pick up his level 3 it would probably be quicker going the college route and he will actually learn what is REALLY needed to posses it.
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So are you saying I don't REALLY know what's needed to posses it?:RpS_cursing: If you are then you're a prick because I went through all the paper work before even applying to make sure I wasn't wasting my time. My level 3 is in solid plastering but I've run cornice in situ fitted a fair few lengths of bench run cornice, umpteen niches and corbels but all that was irrelevant as I was applying for my level 3 in solid plastering so fibrous work didn't need to come into it. If you weren't saying that then I don't think you're a prick after all.:RpS_mellow:
As for fibrous being a different sector I'd agree with Spunky, I know a few very good and very successful fibrous hands and they aren't even in the slightest bit interested in doing solid work even if they could still do it. Most fibrous hands choose to go down that path very early in their career and don't give the solid work a second thought.
As for it taking time for my son to get his level 3, well what's the rush, he'll apply for it when he and I think he's good and ready and not before.
The teaching quals., well yes the PTLLS is the starting point to get into teaching but if I had decided to carry on down that path I would have ended up with a qualification equivalent to that possessed by my mother -in-law who taught in primary schools her entire working life so what's the problem? It's not where you start it's where you end up. I decided that teaching wasn't for me as... well "those that can do and those that can't teach",:RpS_wink: and I think I still can for now. And that's coming from someone whose married to a teacher and has another six teachers in my family, so no grudge against teachers.
 
He's been doing it years and can offer his son all the contacts he needs on a plate why are you all so BACKWARDS
 
WOW lol hey andy just noticed your previous post and i will say again you never done an apprenticeship ie 4 years you might of been assesed to get your level 3 but that was probably off some bloke who knows how forms are filled in. Dont try and bullshit me about teachers and teaching quals coz i know plenty, some heads some assistants and some who sneeked throught the back doors. The teaching qual your on about is available to everyone who wants to take that route wether they are qualified in whatever they are gonna teach. I will go back to something you said earlier, I wont quote you but it went along the lines of "im not happy with someone teaching my son a different way to what i do it" im not saying its the right or wrong way coz there are plenty of short cuts but there really is only one RIGHT way. And maybe i am a prick but getting assesed for your level 3 is not the same as serving an apprenticeship coz if you did you would know, as i said before fibrous and solid is one. Yep you can go down each route and specialise in one like the lads on here who only render and the guys who only skim OH and then theres the guys who board and dab OH and theres the floor screeders so you get the point. It annoys me sometimes on here the amount of people who put down apprenticeships especially the guys who havent stepped foot in a college who think they know it all then also slag the OSAT when most of them got there quals through it. Then youve got the short courses they slag off, make your minds up. Well one thing i will guarantee is with all the s**t whats happening with youth unemployment, apprentices will be back like they did in the 80's but proper apprenticeships so all you boys with your level 2's they will be worth zilch so go for your level 3's but be reminded if its just ticking boxes it dont really qualify you OH and spunky your still a zero xxxxxxxxx
 
No ones putting anything down andy wants to teach his lad then yo start crying about how he should be in college, it's none of you're ******* business as you may have gathered by now :)
 
spunky said:
You're not going to sleep tonight knowing you're wrong are you lol
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HAHAHA LOL one day your gonna be able to put full pages together, your thought process will eventually start working but untill then i am happy to read each sentence and put them all together and your post count will go up. This thread was started by mur who was interested in peoples opinions so i will give mine like i usually do :p
 
as flynny says there is alot you can learn at college but only depending on the tutors i had some very good ones. one called martin conlon whose pratical in solid was second to none his brother john even used to come in once a week because he loved it so much and they also used to run a very successfull plastering company
 
The NVQ Level 3 Solid Plastering (Pathway 1) does not include fibrous work Flynny that is covered by Pathway 2 (completely separate), almost as if it's considered a different sector from solid plastering (sector being a part of a whole). I checked again and yep I've definitely got a level 3 and even if I got it by someone coming down to site, checking my work and then ticking a box rather than going to college for 4 years who cares. The ONLY reason I did the NVQ was to get the Gold card not just for the sake of being able to say I've got a level 3, I never even mention it to potential clients, I let my previous work do the talking not a qualification.
I've nothing against people going to college if that's what they want but it's not the route either my son or I wanted him to go down. Remember not everyone is lucky like Gary and perhaps yourself by getting taught by decent tutors at college, some leave college with all the quals. and yet are absolutely clueless, I know I've tried to employ them.
What I aim to teach my son is how to do a good job in as quick a time as possible to make as good a living as possible, which after all is what we're all after is it not? He and I have absolutely no interest in what it says in any college book, yes we did discuss this right at the start. I think I work pretty efficiently but I'm as sure as eggs is eggs my son will spot ways to improve our methods even further just as I did with my old man.
I can't see why you think I'm trying to bullshit you about teaching quals. I didn't say that PTTLS wasn't available to everyone or that it had anything to do with plastering, it's a teaching qualification. If anyone, lets say Paul Clamp does his PTLLS he can then go on to do CTTLS and after that DTTLS and DTTLS is the equivalent of an HDC (Higher National Diploma) which I was told is the equivalent of a Cert. Ed.
So I've got my Level 3 fair and square whether you like it or not, my son son will earn more in his early years by spending five days a week working whilst learning and I was accurate in what I said about the PTTLS route.
 
essexandy said:
The NVQ Level 3 Solid Plastering (Pathway 1) does not include fibrous work Flynny that is covered by Pathway 2 (completely separate), almost as if it's considered a different sector from solid plastering (sector being a part of a whole). I checked again and yep I've definitely got a level 3 and even if I got it by someone coming down to site, checking my work and then ticking a box rather than going to college for 4 years who cares. The ONLY reason I did the NVQ was to get the Gold card not just for the sake of being able to say I've got a level 3, I never even mention it to potential clients, I let my previous work do the talking not a qualification.
I've nothing against people going to college if that's what they want but it's not the route either my son or I wanted him to go down. Remember not everyone is lucky like Gary and perhaps yourself by getting taught by decent tutors at college, some leave college with all the quals. and yet are absolutely clueless, I know I've tried to employ them.
What I aim to teach my son is how to do a good job in as quick a time as possible to make as good a living as possible, which after all is what we're all after is it not? He and I have absolutely no interest in what it says in any college book, yes we did discuss this right at the start. I think I work pretty efficiently but I'm as sure as eggs is eggs my son will spot ways to improve our methods even further just as I did with my old man.
I can't see why you think I'm trying to bullshit you about teaching quals. I didn't say that PTTLS wasn't available to everyone or that it had anything to do with plastering, it's a teaching qualification. If anyone, lets say Paul Clamp does his PTLLS he can then go on to do CTTLS and after that DTTLS and DTTLS is the equivalent of an HDC (Higher National Diploma) which I was told is the equivalent of a Cert. Ed.
So I've got my Level 3 fair and square whether you like it or not, my son son will earn more in his early years by spending five days a week working whilst learning and I was accurate in what I said about the PTTLS route.
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That was really going well untill you spelt HND wrong lol fair play andy go which ever way your happy with I can only comment on my own experiences and a college apprenticeship is a better start in this industry than any other way. xxxxx
 
flynnyman said:
That was really going well untill you spelt HND wrong lol fair play andy go which ever way your happy with I can only comment on my own experiences and a college apprenticeship is a better start in this industry than any other way. xxxxx
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:RpS_lol: thanks Flynny it had been a long day but I'll take that as a compliment, I think.
Your reply wasn't bad either but it should have read "you're" not "your" happy with:RpS_wink:
 
as someone who went to a really good college but worked for a sh1t company who used apprentices to labour and not teach college was great to learn the basics.if you worked on site with the right people that would teach you better
 
Hate to say it but if it were me again I'd rather go work full time with a spread and go on a full metal stud and tacking course and a floor screeding course
 
spunky said:
Hate to say it but if it were me again I'd rather go work full time with a spread and go on a full metal stud and tacking course and a floor screeding course
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I wish I'd gone just screeding twenty odd years ago, so little kit needed and so much money to be earnt.
 
20 -30 years ago being a good metal stud man would of been very profitable.

if i had my time again id of listened at school and become a dentist. money money money and you can prescribe your self some of the good sh1t
 
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