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puddove said:
yeah - unlike some of the colleges who have their learners a lot longer, the tutors are usually in their late forties or early fifties with years of plastering experience's and who have completed teaching qualifications - which can be 2 years at a university :RpS_thumbsup:
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lol now thats funny.....

you mean that colleges are not employing students to teach other students???

I have been to a few places where lecturers have been there and some of the advice I have heard is comical and quite clearly they have never been in the real world....

Not tarring anyone with the same brush as I know of some very good lecturers and teachers but I also have good authority on a few other things....
 
Yep and @puddove is from what I have seen and heard are one of the good ones :)

If I had my way I would shake up the training sector of the industry as I think its flawed and although technically they are a good idea learning about principles etc but from what I have seen I rather have 2 weeks on site that 2 years at college....
 
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I was lucky the tutor I had was good been in the trade 30 years and still dose weekend work not all collages are the same I know of one near me where the tutor has never been on site it devalues courses. The week courses are a total waste of time. No one will never learn to be a plasterer a collage but it is the first rung on a long ladder for me to get there
 
Easy answer, if you tink all collages are ****, and the lectures are on easy money, join them.Open ya own collage and do it right.
 
kebab king said:
Easy answer, if you tink all collages are ****, and the lectures are on easy money, join them.Open ya own collage and do it right.
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nah not by a long way :) Lots of good colleges out there and great lecturers... just not consistent enough... the standard after 2 years from what i have seen recently is terrible and 2 weeks on a course produces better results...

You wont learn much but you will be able to skim... and on domestic most of it is skimming... ah the joys
 
Danny said:
nah not by a long way :) Lots of good colleges out there and great lecturers... just not consistent enough... the standard after 2 years from what i have seen recently is terrible and 2 weeks on a course produces better results...

You wont learn much but you will be able to skim... and on domestic most of it is skimming... ah the joys
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then they are skimmers/ spreaders not plasterers :) skimming is only a small part of plastering
 
Danny said:
nah not by a long way :) Lots of good colleges out there and great lecturers... just not consistent enough... the standard after 2 years from what i have seen recently is terrible and 2 weeks on a course produces better results...

You wont learn much but you will be able to skim... and on domestic most of it is skimming... ah the joys
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puddove said:
then they are skimmers/ spreaders not plasterers :) skimming is only a small part of plastering
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You might be right phil, but that said my old man's approaching his 50th year In this game,
Proper plasterer indentured apprenticeship, advanced craft , taught me and taught me well, there is very little I don't know how to do.
Guess how many fluted columns and metres of cornice we've been asked to do in the last 25years?.
None at all.
however between us in the last 15 years we have skimmed several hundred thousand m2 of board work in new builds. does that make me any less a plasterer because most of my work is in just one discipline of the trade.
 
puddove said:
then they are skimmers/ spreaders not plasterers :) skimming is only a small part of plastering
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What about the render boys?

Our trade is being split up....

You get skimmers renderers screeders venetian clay monsters....

Its still a trowel trade... they just specialise....

Mikeadams mainly does fibrous... is he a plasterer? Is it more skilled than lashing on 100m2 of skim?

All I am saying is the training system is flawed and wastes money.

More plasterers make it as plasterers if they worked for a firm rather than going to college...

I think it costs 22k a year for a student at college.... that money could be better spent imo
 
Tommy5 said:
I was lucky the tutor I had was good been in the trade 30 years and still dose weekend work not all collages are the same I know of one near me where the tutor has never been on site it devalues courses. The week courses are a total waste of time. No one will never learn to be a plasterer a collage but it is the first rung on a long ladder for me to get there
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Good luck to you Tommy5, I'm also going through college and had the pleasure of a day with Chris. I feel the tutors at the college I attend are very knowledgeable but definitely all about putting it into practice in the real world where you gain confidence speed and perfection. Keep me posted on your progress.
 
For the record that Mike Adams geezer ONLY does fibrous.

Before me.my father grandad and great grandad where plasterers. They did everything. Rendering. Skimming. Floating. Screening etc etc. The whole lot.
The trade use to do everything.

I do blame the courses you can do for splitting the trade up. I'm not going to compete with someone working for a ton a day when I can do fibrous and earn better than that.
So I just do fibrous.

When people ask what I do I say I'm a fibrous plasterer. I don't say I'm a plasterer and when people go oh you can skim walls. I give them an evil stare and just say no.
 
Danny said:
Yep and @puddove is from what I have seen and heard are one of the good ones :)

If I had my way I would shake up the training sector of the industry as I think its flawed and although technically they are a good idea learning about principles etc but from what I have seen I rather have 2 weeks on site that 2 years at college....
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hi Danny - why don't you set up training centre- makes sense the founder of the plasterers forum, to diversify, you would be no 1 then:RpS_thumbsup:
you must be loaded by now - plus I'm sure you would be able to tap into some money from European funds :RpS_thumbsup:
 
hi Danny bricklaying is a trowel trade but we don't call them plasterers :RpS_scared::RpS_lol: I can think of a few names, but plasterer is not 1 of them :RpS_lol:

can you guess the other names. :RpS_laugh:
 
scottie5 said:
You might be right phil, but that said my old man's approaching his 50th year In this game,
Proper plasterer indentured apprenticeship, advanced craft , taught me and taught me well, there is very little I don't know how to do.
Guess how many fluted columns and metres of cornice we've been asked to do in the last 25years?.
None at all.
however between us in the last 15 years we have skimmed several hundred thousand m2 of board work in new builds. does that make me any less a plasterer because most of my work is in just one discipline of the trade.
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hi scott - no offence intended -
 
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