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when i asked if it came from europe i just thought it might have a history that you could read into . like this vid is two years old

 
Rossi46 said:
Ryan I hope you do well out of this it's not a personal thing at all but I'd have to be as good a salesman as you to sell this as a "full house"product to joe public at ££££'s
You say 2-3 days work aswell. I honestly don't think 2-3 days is possible to do a full house unless the home owners move themselves and all of their belongings out of the house. No way never!
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Cheers mate. If you believe in the product, have the proof and believe in yourself it will sell itself.

I will try and update the forum with more information tomorrow
 
keithuk said:
Ryan we are in the front line !! you are the win win selling it !, give us some respect please for asking simply questions
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Keith, respect has been shown. Im not at a win win, If the product doesn't work it will reflect on my company.
Questions are always welcome, what I'm saying and said was open you eyes and see the possibilities. Don't try to find the floors in something that you don't have the knowledge on.

You have the same thing with Machines mate, people still say Hand bashing is quicker on Externals - when I have the information to hand I will help educate and answer the questions
 
Plasterers1StopShop said:
Keith, respect has been shown. Im not at a win win, If the product doesn't work it will reflect on my company.
Questions are always welcome, what I'm saying and said was open you eyes and see the possibilities. Don't try to find the floors in something that you don't have the knowledge on.

You have the same thing with Machines mate, people still say Hand bashing is quicker on Externals - when I have the information to hand I will help educate and answer the questions
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All true mate ,but machines have been about for along time ,and how long has that taken for people to listen to the likes of us ?i will not comment anymore ,as said not a dig at you ,hope you make me look a t**t with this new system ,best of luck ,with respect as always
 
keithuk said:
All true mate ,but machines have been about for along time ,and how long has that taken for people to listen to the likes of us ?i will not comment anymore ,as said not a dig at you ,hope you make me look a t**t with this new system ,best of luck ,with respect as always
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It takes time, it always will. All the best Keith.

I will send you a sample down to see the results for yourself as well mate
 
keithuk said:
Fair comment ,but i just think most would need more proof before even going on a course they have to pay for with a market that is not aware of the product or even heard of it ?,think with all the guys on here someone would have ?
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To be fair mate I have heard of it and been looking into it for a bit, the product is quite new in this country and I think they have been looking at ways to bring it market, which I think is what's happening now. Oh and I didn't know about it through the forum and glad I never posted up about it sooner f**k**g up people's plans lol
 
flynnyman said:
To be fair mate I have heard of it and been looking into it for a bit, the product is quite new in this country and I think they have been looking at ways to bring it market, which I think is what's happening now. Oh and I didn't know about it through the forum and glad I never posted up about it sooner f**k**g up people's plans lol
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You wouldn't have messed anything up mate. Knew you knew about it through twitter. We have been talking for a fair few months on it:musculoso:

You never know Flynny, we may finally meet at the training course and I will be buying you lunch and taking you out for a beer in the evening
 
They must have done a research on it that who is the target audience for this product, gathering from recent threads from here on rates and whatnot I can only see it work for Joe Blog if theres finance option involved with these prices and even then some will only be able to flog it if the person is driving a hard sales pitch. On cost and return this is a very weak approach just have to do the maths. I agree with Ryan its not for everyones cup of tea, but it will be a hard sell thats for sure for those who jump on it.
 
straight down the back of the trousers there
Plasterers1StopShop said:
You wouldn't have messed anything up mate. Knew you knew about it through twitter. We have been talking for a fair few months on it:musculoso:

You never know Flynny, we may finally meet at the training course and I will be buying you lunch and taking you out for a beer in the evening
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straight down the back of the troosers there ryno.....................................:love:
 
Nobody is gonna do a full house so making that comparison is not a good one in my eyes. I've been looking at it and you know me If I can find a flaw I will be straight on it lol it's an alternative to IWI and if it works then the price is is cheaper with less disruption. This will be for properties that have problems not for new properties but in the future it might be an idea to incorporate at the initial stage of building, Maybe incorporate it into a plasterboard. I will be going to look at this product and see what the crack is and if it's true then it's a winner and the fact you can't sell it that's your problem, I remember a time when people said magnetic plaster was a daft idea then look, we have a new genre of wall art taking the art world by storm :)
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flynnyman said:
Nobody is gonna do a full house so making that comparison is not a good one in my eyes. I've been looking at it and you know me If I can find a flaw I will be straight on it lol it's an alternative to IWI and if it works then the price is is cheaper with less disruption. This will be for properties that have problems not for new properties but in the future it might be an idea to incorporate at the initial stage of building, Maybe incorporate it into a plasterboard. I will be going to look at this product and see what the crack is and if it's true then it's a winner and the fact you can't sell it that's your problem, I remember a time when people said magnetic plaster was a daft idea then look, we have a new genre of wall art taking the art world by storm :)View attachment 9468
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Agree with you entirely.

With regards to full houses, all of the external internal walls normally get done.

The internal walls there is no need. Normally the ceiling of the top floor will be done also
 
flynnyman said:
Nobody is gonna do a full house so making that comparison is not a good one in my eyes. I've been looking at it and you know me If I can find a flaw I will be straight on it lol it's an alternative to IWI and if it works then the price is is cheaper with less disruption. This will be for properties that have problems not for new properties but in the future it might be an idea to incorporate at the initial stage of building, Maybe incorporate it into a plasterboard. I will be going to look at this product and see what the crack is and if it's true then it's a winner and the fact you can't sell it that's your problem, I remember a time when people said magnetic plaster was a daft idea then look, we have a new genre of wall art taking the art world by storm :)View attachment 9468
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All well and done flynny saying they only get one room done. The man above talked about thermal bridging I think or I just read it somewhere else not sure now, but cost and return still poor. It's only maths lads no science involved. Some geezers here couldn't flog themselves for a packet of crisps let alone 45-75/m plus extras. Might as well use the insulated wallpaper less cost and lifetime not limited to 15 years as it can be painted and/or patch repaired.
 
Btw these properties got no problems, people got problems living in a hundred year or even older house and they want passive house spec.
 
Plasterers1StopShop said:
Agree with you entirely.

With regards to full houses, all of the external internal walls normally get done.

The internal walls there is no need. Normally the ceiling of the top floor will be done also
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im guessing home owners will shy.

but developers stripping houses and have to upgrade insulation do you think this would qualify as an insulation upgrade?
 
Dansouthcoast84 said:
im guessing home owners will shy.

but developers stripping houses and have to upgrade insulation do you think this would qualify as an insulation upgrade?
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Lots of home owners are already going for it. It certainly has its place in the market.

I will double check if it will be classed as an insulation upgrade and let you know
 
I have been probably a year or 18 months looking at this material and I can speak for @RobJack who came up to see it in the flesh as well as he was sceptical as soon as you touch it you get it.

you would not be doing whole rooms... external walls would get a coat...
 
bobby said:
Most folk won't want to pay this cost.
It's to dear and sounds like a load of old bollox to me
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It's fairly even in comparison to costs with a EWI system. These were also hard to sell at the start.

Once you read into the benefits and facts then the benefits and cost saving can be seen
 
home owners are already looking for a solution and they are coming to aerotherm to solve that problem...
 
zolco said:
All well and done flynny saying they only get one room done. The man above talked about thermal bridging I think or I just read it somewhere else not sure now, but cost and return still poor. It's only maths lads no science involved. Some geezers here couldn't flog themselves for a packet of crisps let alone 45-75/m plus extras. Might as well use the insulated wallpaper less cost and lifetime not limited to 15 years as it can be painted and/or patch repaired.
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Come September every year the same problem arises and the same problem is posted on here and that's condensation and cold walls. The problem with building now is everyone is changing the fabric inside so it's causing problems in the cold parts of the year. I was gonna mention this product in that thread where everyone was talking about IWI, and how to do it wrong and not really understanding what's happening and what's going on then eventually blaming it on a spec. Most jobs I go to with a problem with condensation or mould usually is on a couple of walls in the house that face a particular way and usually a change in habits can help but the problem is usually down to a cold wall. The solution is insulation and I recon IWI on a metre rate is more expensive and that's not adding the loss of space, new skirting, sills and electrics and paying someone to do it. When I first seen this product I thought hmmmmmmmm like everyone else so we will see.
 
As I said before. To do a full house or even a couple of walls in every room is a huge disruption to a family living in a house. With the material costs and huge labour costs or even moving out costs I think EWI would suit most modern families.
To disrupt peoples TV is enough to send stress levels soaring nowadays. Imagine a whole house, full of furniture, carpets, fitted wardrobes etc etc and more than a weeks work is realistically is a massive turn off IMO.
Just my opinion mind.
 
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Rossi46 said:
As I said before. To do a full house or even a couple of walls in every room is a huge disruption to a family living in a house. With the material costs and huge labour costs or even moving out costs I think EWI would suit most modern families.
To disrupt peoples TV is enough to send stress levels souring nowadays. Imagine a whole house, full of furniture, carpets, fitted wardrobes etc etc and more than a weeks work is realistically is a massive turn off IMO.
Just my opinion mind.
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no more disruption than skimming a room and to be honest its cleaner....
 
Rossi46 said:
As I said before. To do a full house or even a couple of walls in every room is a huge disruption to a family living in a house. With the material costs and huge labour costs or even moving out costs I think EWI would suit most modern families.
To disrupt peoples TV is enough to send stress levels souring nowadays. Imagine a whole house, full of furniture, carpets, fitted wardrobes etc etc and more than a weeks work is realistically is a massive turn off IMO.
Just my opinion mind.
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A bigger disruption with IWI also EWI is out of the question for a number of reasons a lot of the time.
 
flynnyman said:
Come September every year the same problem arises and the same problem is posted on here and that's condensation and cold walls. The problem with building now is everyone is changing the fabric inside so it's causing problems in the cold parts of the year. I was gonna mention this product in that thread where everyone was talking about IWI, and how to do it wrong and not really understanding what's happening and what's going on then eventually blaming it on a spec. Most jobs I go to with a problem with condensation or mould usually is on a couple of walls in the house that face a particular way and usually a change in habits can help but the problem is usually down to a cold wall. The solution is insulation and I recon IWI on a metre rate is more expensive and that's not adding the loss of space, new skirting, sills and electrics and paying someone to do it. When I first seen this product I thought hmmmmmmmm like everyone else so we will see.
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That's great if you see market for it flynny, I'm not debating it's functionality it seems a great product which been used in clothing for years, I'm questioning the costs involved for a short period of life expectancy. Also not sure that how it pans out for epc certification and surveys for selling a house for example. As no-one mentioned what happens in 15 years time is it gonna crumble down or just gonna still stick to the wall like s**t to a blanket, what warranties implied and what if the u value won't change after installation, is the surveyed independent or company backed, who's paying for labour if the gear don't work etc? From a marketing leaflet these things not clarified it's all in the small print I take it. I understand people trying to sell stuff but this is turning into another stilts saga.
Still if you knock out 40m at 75quid a meter is 3k not include 're-decorating don't think that's a good value for money.
I'm not being sceptical just going after the numbers, people these days want numbers not promises and ifs and buts.
 
zolco said:
That's great if you see market for it flynny, I'm not debating it's functionality it seems a great product which been used in clothing for years, I'm questioning the costs involved for a short period of life expectancy. Also not sure that how it pans out for epc certification and surveys for selling a house for example. As no-one mentioned what happens in 15 years time is it gonna crumble down or just gonna still stick to the wall like s**t to a blanket, what warranties implied and what if the u value won't change after installation, is the surveyed independent or company backed, who's paying for labour if the gear don't work etc? From a marketing leaflet these things not clarified it's all in the small print I take it. I understand people trying to sell stuff but this is turning into another stilts saga.
Still if you knock out 40m at 75quid a meter is 3k not include 're-decorating don't think that's a good value for money.
I'm not being sceptical just going after the numbers, people these days want numbers not promises and ifs and buts.
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touching is believing.... anyone local to me wanna pop roundI have some sample tiles sat on my desk...
 
I think most are missing the picture (and I am interested in the product) but most people (in Ireland at least) go with ewi as they are in need of the outside re plastering anyway, so kill two birds with one stone, if it's a similar price they get a brand new outside to look at for the same money.
Whereas with this, there is no cosmetic lure.

Prob try it on my own house first

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BigK said:
I think most are missing the picture (and I am interested in the product) but most people (in Ireland at least) go with ewi as they are in need of the outside re plastering anyway, so kill two birds with one stone, if it's a similar price they get a brand new outside to look at for the same money.
Whereas with this, there is no cosmetic lure.


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not all properties can be rendered nor do people want them rendered... :)
 
Danny said:
also the cost factor... people want a solution they will pay for it...
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Realistically though when do you ever skim a whole house out while the customers are living at home? Never.
Plus as a rough percentage of house value these figures for full house work I'd say are touching 10-15%. Who can afford these figures when people are struggling to pay their mortgages :inocente:
 
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