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i one coat all walls and small ceilings. its a trchnique i mastered by my self. but i think its a better finish. 20 mins faster a set on average. though i dont really stop till ive beltrd.
 
2 coats for me, I've one coated a couple of times on bricked up doorways/ patches but prefer two costs as I find its easier to get required finish.
 
pro1988 said:
i one coat all walls and small ceilings. its a trchnique i mastered by my self. but i think its a better finish. 20 mins faster a set on average. though i dont really stop till ive beltrd.
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On square edge board it is easy to get away with one coat.

On recessed edge board, the plaster always pulls in slightly on the recess and does not usually produce a consistent flat surface with one coat. If you fill the recess and let it pull in before laying on your one coat, then technically you are two coating the recess.

On backgrounds that are not flat or have slight suction issues you cannot get away with one coat.

In general I have to disagree with your one coat statement producing a better finish than two coats. I would say that one coat can produce almost the same finish on good backgrounds, but for everything else, two coats produces a better finish than one coat :)
 
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2 coat as a rule, have one coated boardwork just cork the joints first I tend to do that with chamfered boards either way..

Spunky you sponge don't you? How do you sponge? When troweling? The only way I have used a sponge with is when I've banged the first coat on then run round the whole walls with the sponge (it's still fairly wet at this time) then second coat.

Ive seen people use them when troweling and all they seem to do is chase fat round the whole wall?? I do get that it can pull you out of the **** if its gone just that little bit to far..

the way I have done it speeds the process up with drawing the water out but although you couldn't feel them you can see the sponge lines
 
Fill out beads and tapes lay a thick coat on let it pull in flatten it sponge it, let it pull in a bit more then trowel it
Sone can't some can and some are too up there asses to try it, I've seen some terrible 1 and 2 coat work
 
spunky said:
Fill out beads and tapes lay a thick coat on let it pull in flatten it sponge it, let it pull in a bit more then trowel it
Sone can't some can and some are too up there asses to try it, I've seen some terrible 1 and 2 coat work
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I would not try it myself as I was a time served plasterer and did not just pick it up as I went along but spunky is correct that its the plasterer and not the application that ruins jobs
 
Forget picking up on modern renders then if you're too time served or just ignorant to pick up new things you idiot
 
spunky said:
Forget picking up on modern renders then if you're too time served or just ignorant to pick up new things you idiot
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Modern renders would probably be easy enough for me, not interested in one coat or sponging work,it's the sliding scale of amateurism, I am more into where money comes from in my business, if its profitable without too much donkey work then I am up for it. Sadly people on here who are learning will believe you know what you are talking about.
 
spunky said:
Forget picking up on modern renders then if you're too time served or just ignorant to pick up new things you idiot
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Lol don't mince ya words do ya spunk..

yeah I used to one coat exactly like that when I was on price serving my time, do you think sponging saves on time vs using a brush?

So do you end up chasing fat round the wall?
 
ive done it how spunky does it loads of time for one firm in particualr and i have to agree with spunks, IF and thats IF you know what your doin and know your timings it comes out just as good as 2 coat work and the sponge marks that you can see but not feel.....you wnt see anything once the paints on.
dnt get me wrong i hardly ever do this but one firm we work for the rates are soo poor that its the only way we can make the job pay, still finishes lovley though
 
johniosaif said:
Modern renders would probably be easy enough for me, not interested in one coat or sponging work,it's the sliding scale of amateurism, I am more into where money comes from in my business, if its profitable without too much donkey work then I am up for it. Sadly people on here who are learning will believe you know what you are talking about.
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Lol every time you type something you make yourself look a bigger ******
 
It's not the right way to teach people though I believe ,I have been two coating since 87 and I could not change my way,lots of people know quick ways and ways you get away with.but I would run one coaters off my job and spongers too. If a job is that badly paying I think I would pass, but needs must as they say.
 
SpankySouthport said:
Lol don't mince ya words do ya spunk..

yeah I used to one coat exactly like that when I was on price serving my time, do you think sponging saves on time vs using a brush?

So do you end up chasing fat round the wall?
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Deffo last time we did it every set was taking 2 hours, when I trowel it up I put it on my hawk same as any plastering if you've got too much on you struggle
 
johniosaif said:
It's not the right way to teach people though I believe ,I have been two coating since 87 and I could not change my way,lots of people know quick ways and ways you get away with.but I would run one coaters off my job and spongers too. If a job is that badly paying I think I would pass, but needs must as they say.
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I can do both



Starting to sound a bit like you now...........
 
jrplastering said:
ive done it how spunky does it loads of time for one firm in particualr and i have to agree with spunks, IF and thats IF you know what your doin and know your timings it comes out just as good as 2 coat work and the sponge marks that you can see but not feel.....you wnt see anything once the paints on.
dnt get me wrong i hardly ever do this but one firm we work for the rates are soo poor that its the only way we can make the job pay, still finishes lovley though
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im not kidding there were 7 of us on a Vinci site for crest Nicholson all sponging and the old boy running the site said it was the best skimming he's ever seen I don't want to sound like John but by chance we were all good plasterers on the job and when it's dry it looks lovely
 
spunky said:
im not kidding there were 7 of us on a Vinci site for crest Nicholson all sponging and the old boy running the site said it was the best skimming he's ever seen I don't want to sound like John but by chance we were all good plasterers on the job and when it's dry it looks lovely
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You sound so like me,we. Must unite ha ha, was the old boy mr magoo
 
johniosaif said:
Modern renders would probably be easy enough for me, not interested in one coat or sponging work,it's the sliding scale of amateurism, I am more into where money comes from in my business, if its profitable without too much donkey work then I am up for it. Sadly people on here who are learning will believe you know what you are talking about.
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how can you comment on if spongeing being bad when you've admitted not trying it??
 
Artisan998 said:
how can you comment on if spongeing being bad when you've admitted not trying it??
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It's not part of training ,it's not part of British gypsum code of practice,people say they do it because metre prices are so low, what next are we to do,how can people who do it right compete with spongers.
 
johniosaif said:
It's not part of training ,it's not part of British gypsum code of practice,people say they do it because metre prices are so low, what next are we to do,how can people who do it right compete with spongers.
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Thats not what im getting at John, we can go on for ever about big companies and shite rates, blah blah blah. im on about your slateing someone else for using a technique that works and gives a good finish and you've never even tried it to be able to judge how good or bad it is...........loads of people slated speedskim who had never tried it. it works for some people and not others but at least try it before saying it shite, thats what im getting at
 
johniosaif said:
Touche
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Artisan998 said:
Thats not what im getting at John, we can go on for ever about big companies and shite rates, blah blah blah. im on about your slateing someone else for using a technique that works and gives a good finish and you've never even tried it to be able to judge how good or bad it is...........loads of people slated speedskim who had never tried it. it works for some people and not others but at least try it before saying it shite, thats what im getting at
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You have a point there but don't tell spunky,I have never done it or seen it done,have always and still do hate the thoughts of it,but perhaps without foundation,my two coat work is my way and remains so,but if you can do it with one and satisfy people who pay well that speaks for it self..
 
johniosaif said:
It's not part of training ,it's not part of British gypsum code of practice,people say they do it because metre prices are so low, what next are we to do,how can people who do it right compete with spongers.
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It's a bit of skimming why are you getting so emotional?
 
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