The attitude people have towards these courses are ridiculous people aren't going to put their lives on hold for 3 years while some cantankerous old spread shouts more muck and clean my buckets, I did 3 years learning with a spread then went to goldtrowel and the three weeks I was at goldtrowel taught me that everything the spread told me was a load of ****, start with a goldtrowel course then go work with a spread and practice on your walls at home, no spread with any ambition for making money is going to want to spend all day teaching someone who has no clue, I think everyone will agree a lot of the time apprentices can be a hindrance more than help. Goldtrowel was excellent, difficult situations and plenty of meterage.