Zinsser primer

[Vincey]

Been to a whole house that been fire damaged big time burnt to bits in the back kitchen, total redo but dude was saying the rest of the rooms a company going into chemically clean smoke carbon crap off the walls then they cover walls with a primer called zinsser, never heard of it myself, has anyone before ? And skimmed over it?

 

[Cornelius]

It's a primer stain block product, ideal for what you described I would think. I've never skimmed over it though but as long as walls are properly cleaned it should work well

 

[Vincey]

It's a primer stain block product, ideal for what you described I would think. I've never skimmed over it though but as long as walls are properly cleaned it should work well

Thanks he was going on about it ,wasn't 100% sure tbh weather they saying it was ok to skim or pva over it and then skim apparently locks in any carbon after cleaning before skim

 

[FreeD]

Thanks he was going on about it ,wasn't 100% sure tbh weather they saying it was ok to skim or pva over it and then skim apparently locks in any carbon after cleaning before skim

I've used there products quite a bit...might be shellac based. You are going to need to use blue grit or similar.

 

[irish_spread]

Did a penetrating damp job, sealed up around the windows externally and told customer to get the decorator to put a stainblock on internal water stained lining paper. Got a call a few months later saying dampness came back. Looked at job and showed customer my before jobs pic which showed damp stains in same place. Phoned decorator, said he had used zinserr. I put a coat of gloss over it, painted mag and the stains never came back

She was an oap and even though it wasn't my fault I fixed it for her.
My point is, zinserr isn't all it's cracked up to be, the gloss Worked better. You need to cover yourself on the stains coming back

 

[Cornelius]

I wouldn't skim straight on to it myself? Surely it needs pva or grit first

 

[irish_spread]

Have you considered unifinish ?

 

[zolco]

 

[Pug]

Did a penetrating damp job, sealed up around the windows externally and told customer to get the decorator to put a stainblock on internal water stained lining paper. Got a call a few months later saying dampness came back. Looked at job and showed customer my before jobs pic which showed damp stains in same place. Phoned decorator, said he had used zinserr. I put a coat of gloss over it, painted mag and the stains never came back

She was an oap and even though it wasn't my fault I fixed it for her.
My point is, zinserr isn't all it's cracked up to be, the gloss Worked better. You need to cover yourself on the stains coming back

Second vote for gloss here.

 

[zombie]

Surely if its had fire damage then insurance company would be involved therefore my quote woulb be to rip out and re board...

You either get it or you don't but at least there's no comebacks that way

 

[Vincey]

Did a penetrating damp job, sealed up around the windows externally and told customer to get the decorator to put a stainblock on internal water stained lining paper. Got a call a few months later saying dampness came back. Looked at job and showed customer my before jobs pic which showed damp stains in same place. Phoned decorator, said he had used zinserr. I put a coat of gloss over it, painted mag and the stains never came back

She was an oap and even though it wasn't my fault I fixed it for her.
My point is, zinserr isn't all it's cracked up to be, the gloss Worked better. You need to cover yourself on the stains coming back

Thanks , tbh every room is absolutely black , apparently the insurance said all ceilings to be re boarded but can't understand if they happy to have ceilings done (new) why not take walls back to brick and redo from scratch too, I.e on walls only they saying clean then zinsser and skim,the whole house had just all been skimmed and painted just prior to the fire.

 

[Vincey]

Have you considered unifinish ?

 

[zombie]

Thanks , tbh every room is absolutely black , apparently the insurance said all ceilings to be re boarded but can't understand if they happy to have ceilings done (new) why not take walls back to brick and redo from scratch too, I.e on walls only they saying clean then zinsser and skim,the whole house had just all been skimmed and painted just prior to the fire.

The thing is though @Vincey its all good and well them saying to use this and that...HOWEVER... It will be your fone and reputation in the mud if any problems down the line

 

[vfr12]

There is only one way to get rid of the stains and smell- once redecorated sell it . That smell is for life, no matter what you do. I guess whatever you do vincey, you'll be fine.

 

[malc]

Thanks , tbh every room is absolutely black , apparently the insurance said all ceilings to be re boarded but can't understand if they happy to have ceilings done (new) why not take walls back to brick and redo from scratch too, I.e on walls only they saying clean then zinsser and skim,the whole house had just all been skimmed and painted just prior to the fire.

the insurance co. are not in control of the building works. it is a loss adjuster or structural engineer.
you are the plastering expert. price to strip the lot out and replace.

 

[zolco]

try this Vince rather than zinsser

 

[Cornelius]

I did insurance work for six years floods fires etc, if the walls aren't actually damaged they won't rip it back to brick. Normally they would be washed clean, zinnser stain block and paint straight over the stain block. Not re skimmed. Like malc says the surveyor or loss adjuster will make a scope of works and the contractors will follow orders effectively. Unless something crops up that wasn't apparent at survey stage.

 

[theclemo]

If they ask me to skim over s**t I'll do it. As long as I have it on an email that's what they asked for. @Vincey just skim the f**k**g thing if that's what they want. If u start telling them this needs to come down = more money u will lose the job. Just make sure you have it in writing that they want u to skim over it.

 

[Vincey]

If they ask me to skim over s**t I'll do it. As long as I have it on an email that's what they asked for. @Vincey just skim the f**k**g thing if that's what they want. If u start telling them this needs to come down = more money u will lose the job. Just make sure you have it in writing that they want u to skim over it.

Your right he got all his s**t sorted with insurance and the survey dudes etc and asked for skim price only so f**k it I'll write down and just do it.

 

[theclemo]

Your right he got all his s**t sorted with insurance and the survey dudes etc and asked for skim price only so f**k it I'll write down and just do it.

Make sure you use thistle Bond it not bluegrit as gypsum don't make it

 

[malc]

If they ask me to skim over s**t I'll do it. As long as I have it on an email that's what they asked for. @Vincey just skim the f**k**g thing if that's what they want. If u start telling them this needs to come down = more money u will lose the job. Just make sure you have it in writing that they want u to skim over it.

when we carry out insurance work for a loss adjuster the higher the costs the better as they are paid a % of the cost and as a specialist plastering contractor you give your opinion.

 

[Cornelius]

when we carry out insurance work for a loss adjuster the higher the costs the better as they are paid a % of the cost and as a specialist plastering contractor you give your opinion.

Not sure about that if I'm honest, sounds too corrupt. I didn't hear any of that talk in my six years with an insurance approved contractor.

 

[theclemo]

when we carry out insurance work for a loss adjuster the higher the costs the better as they are paid a % of the cost and as a specialist plastering contractor you give your opinion.

Yes I all ways give my opinion but 90% of the time they will do the cheapest way. So I just get it all on email and give them what they want.

 

[irish_spread]

when we carry out insurance work for a loss adjuster the higher the costs the better as they are paid a % of the cost and as a specialist plastering contractor you give your opinion.

Correct. I think it's 10%, and believe me, they will cover their arses

 

[algeeman]

Did a penetrating damp job, sealed up around the windows externally and told customer to get the decorator to put a stainblock on internal water stained lining paper. Got a call a few months later saying dampness came back. Looked at job and showed customer my before jobs pic which showed damp stains in same place. Phoned decorator, said he had used zinserr. I put a coat of gloss over it, painted mag and the stains never came back

She was an oap and even though it wasn't my fault I fixed it for her.
My point is, zinserr isn't all it's cracked up to be, the gloss Worked better. You need to cover yourself on the stains coming back

Ive got to float over soot stained walls ....is it better to double dab i cant be arsed with a wire brush cleaning it...or cant be arsed battening into brick.
Heard nightmare stories of soot when painted it starts to flake.
I usually wouldnt care but its my own house !!

 

[irish_spread]

Ive got to float over soot stained walls ....is it better to double dab i cant be arsed with a wire brush cleaning it...or cant be arsed battening into brick.
Heard nightmare stories of soot when painted it starts to flake.
I usually wouldnt care but its my own house !!

A membrane maybe ? Selcos do one now

 

[algeeman]

A membrane maybe ? Selcos do one now

To be honest im thinking of setting it on fire and cutting my losses !!!!

 

[malc]

Ive got to float over soot stained walls ....is it better to double dab i cant be arsed with a wire brush cleaning it...or cant be arsed battening into brick.
Heard nightmare stories of soot when painted it starts to flake.
I usually wouldnt care but its my own house !!

i would dot and dab plasterboard over soot. double boarding is becoming popular for extra insulation on up market housing.

 

[algeeman]

i would dot and dab plasterboard over soot. double boarding is becoming popular for extra insulation on up market housing.

Its only a chimney wall thats been pulled out malc...it cant be blocked back up its a mess off a wall.
Blocked up ground floor...upstairs is a headache.
Too heavy to float too lazy to batten !!
3 metres high...with a fussy wife.

 

[3kids1dog]

Our decorator put zinsser on our oak kitchen units before he painted them

 

[malc]

Its only a chimney wall thats been pulled out malc...it cant be blocked back up its a mess off a wall.
Blocked up ground floor...upstairs is a headache.
Too heavy to float too lazy to batten !!
3 metres high...with a fussy wife.

i would dab a sheet of board onto the brickwork, then over board the complete wall.