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Mbsun

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what is the thin coating over what i assume is original sand cement render (30s semi), its very thin, less than 1mm , appears to be uniformed white, assuming you guys tell me what my guess is, why is not adhered? And cracking everywhere
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Mbsun

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Thank you.

OK so what hasn't been done properly or what is likely to have been done wrong to cause the problems?
I should say this was done maybe 5-10 years before I moved in 10 years back. And its always looked bad

And what is the best way forward to get a good finish?
 

Mbsun

New Member
it could be structural, it's unlikely but your house could be sinking, call a surveyor.
There may have been a small amount of movement in the past (house is 90) but nothing recently and nothing since it was (overskimmed) if that's what you guys would call it.
None of the cracks are opening, or shifting in orientation, or opening unevenly, but all windows have cracks running out from the top corners and some from the brick quoins.
I think this is expansion etc, unless you guys tell me otherwise
 

malc

TPF Special Forces
There may have been a small amount of movement in the past (house is 90) but nothing recently and nothing since it was (overskimmed) if that's what you guys would call it.
None of the cracks are opening, or shifting in orientation, or opening unevenly, but all windows have cracks running out from the top corners and some from the brick quoins.
I think this is expansion etc, unless you guys tell me otherwise

There is always structural trowel after a hot summer as the clay dries out and the properties subside. This will give structural engineers and crack repair specialists a couple of years work. contact your insurance company.
 

Tinytom

Well-Known Member
View attachment 71353 what is the thin coating over what i assume is original sand cement render (30s semi), its very thin, less than 1mm , appears to be uniformed white, assuming you guys tell me what my guess is, why is not adhered? And cracking everywhere View attachment 71354
Your a bit demanding aren’t you.
Why post as if we’re all forced to reply and give you free information?
A few pleasantries first wouldn’t go a miss
 

Mbsun

New Member
Your a bit demanding aren’t you.
Why post as if we’re all forced to reply and give you free information?
A few pleasantries first wouldn’t go a miss
OK, nice to meet you tiny, if you want to post up your bank details, I will bacs you a oner for the superb advice you might give me
No to what

Anyone on here not a piss taking w**k*r who thinks this forum should be only for plasterers to grunt at each other ot laugh at people that wish to have half an idea of what might be possible and what the cost may be, before asking tradesmen round , feel free to respond

Mucky your no reply would be a good reply now
 

Topspread16

Well-Known Member
OK, nice to meet you tiny, if you want to post up your bank details, I will bacs you a oner for the superb advice you might give me

No to what

Anyone on here not a piss taking w**k*r who thinks this forum should be only for plasterers to grunt at each other ot laugh at people that wish to have half an idea of what might be possible and what the cost may be, before asking tradesmen round , feel free to respond

Mucky your no reply would be a good reply now
Ok
 

themucky1

Well-Known Member
OK, nice to meet you tiny, if you want to post up your bank details, I will bacs you a oner for the superb advice you might give me

No to what

Anyone on here not a piss taking w**k*r who thinks this forum should be only for plasterers to grunt at each other ot laugh at people that wish to have half an idea of what might be possible and what the cost may be, before asking tradesmen round , feel free to respond

Mucky your no reply would be a good reply now
Sorry, that last reply should have been yes
 

Mbsun

New Member
Let's face it not like I have lost out with a narky reply, I wasn't getting any advice any which way.
I will just do this the way you guys like in person, someone will get the job but most will waste their time and diesel. Sure you guys enjoy wasting your time.
 

essexandy

The Lake Governor
OK, nice to meet you tiny, if you want to post up your bank details, I will bacs you a oner for the superb advice you might give me

No to what

Anyone on here not a piss taking w**k*r who thinks this forum should be only for plasterers to grunt at each other ot laugh at people that wish to have half an idea of what might be possible and what the cost may be, before asking tradesmen round , feel free to respond

Mucky your no reply would be a good reply now
Errr, no.
 

Mbsun

New Member
Lol

Seriously

I had hoped I would get some good advice, best product's, best methods, full hack off and renew etc or whether something else can be done.
Which would have given me a good idea of cost.

Ultimately now I will probably see more renderers than I need to, get more different opinions based on their preferences, not knowing if I can find the money, vs having a good idea of what I want and what it will cost
 

malc

TPF Special Forces
When Look at the first photo, I am sure that your property has been underpinned before. As on the corner there are engineering bricks that have recently been laid.[ good quality pointing]. I can see a old repair to the render in the photo.
as i have already told you contact your insurance company. they will invite a structural engineer to inspect your property. Your problems are way above what any DIY can solve.
 

Mbsun

New Member
When Look at the first photo, I am sure that your property has been underpinned before. As on the corner there are engineering bricks that have recently been laid.[ good quality pointing]. I can see a old repair to the render in the photo.
as i have already told you contact your insurance company. they will invite a structural engineer to inspect your property. Your problems are way above what any DIY can solve.
Had to round the house to check, but the first course of brickwork above the ground (all block paving btw), is old, the repairs are above that.
Which to my mind rules out underpinng, but thats an area of building I have never experienced.

Can I just say here, I am a bricklayer, and at what I do I am pretty decent which is new build houses, I can even plaster a bit, though my skills exceed my knowledge.


But I have zero interest in any diy, to a point I could maybe get away with a bit of bodgery but I have to look at the bloody thing. Ultimately I just want top notch finish and product. (But frustrated as nobody has come close to pointing me towards it)

Malc I am not 100% sure you are on the wrong track, but I think you are tbh
 

Tinytom

Well-Known Member
Had to round the house to check, but the first course of brickwork above the ground (all block paving btw), is old, the repairs are above that.
Which to my mind rules out underpinng, but thats an area of building I have never experienced.

Can I just say here, I am a bricklayer, and at what I do I am pretty decent which is new build houses, I can even plaster a bit, though my skills exceed my knowledge.


But I have zero interest in any diy, to a point I could maybe get away with a bit of bodgery but I have to look at the bloody thing. Ultimately I just want top notch finish and product. (But frustrated as nobody has come close to pointing me towards it)

Malc I am not 100% sure you are on the wrong track, but I think you are tbh
You rendered it yourself didn’t you after watching all those sexy plasterers on site and wishing you were one of them
Now you feel rejected on here so you’re lashing out at us. Come on mate, all brickies wish they possessed the skill we do. It’s not your fault
 

Steve Brown

Well-Known Member
I think it looks like a tyrolean that’s been painted.
The tyrolean most probably was applied to cover a multitude of sins on the original render that was applied to cover dusty blown brickwork.
That worked for a while until areas started failing due to the original render and the fact that it wasn’t cleaned ready to receive the tyrolean.

Then when the tyrolean looked bad they just painted over the top of that with no prep and probably shite paint.

So that’s why it’s cracking and peeling! Knock it all off, put your hand in your pocket and pay a decent squad of lads to render it properly this time.
 

Tinytom

Well-Known Member
You rendered it yourself didn’t you after watching all those sexy plasterers on site and wishing you were one of them
Now you feel rejected on here so you’re lashing out at us. Come on mate, all brickies wish they possessed the skill we do. It’s not your fault
Anyone can put bricks on top of each other
 

Mbsun

New Member
Lol, tbf all the plasterers I seen look like cripples, and having done my elbow neck and shoulder in doing it, I can understand why

No wasn't me that did any of it BTW

So the tyrolene is a bodge over cracked render and is maybe bodged over with paint in an attempt to hide it further, or its structural which I am nearly certain it isn't

So back to brick and redoe this (front and side of house)

The back of the house has a 2 story extension on which is not tyrolene, it is sand and cement painted. And its mess, its a diy job (and not by a bricklayer either lol.
Generally its fairly flat, but there are numerous cracks which have then been chased out plus an inch and patched in (badly), plus the odd hairline from corners of windows and quoins.
Imo having done a bit of bad rendering in the past I reckon its shrinkage and was repaired a few weeks after it was done, as I haven't seen anything get worse in the last 10 years.
Having tapped about on it I believe its solid, I certainly don't fancy trying to get it off.

Is there a way to skim over it with a thin layer (like 3mm), can the same product be used front and back

Next door had theirs done in k rend a few years ago but the result is poor tbh, and I don't think its suitable for the back of the house
 

Mbsun

New Member
I think it looks like a tyrolean that’s been painted.
The tyrolean most probably was applied to cover a multitude of sins on the original render that was applied to cover dusty blown brickwork.
That worked for a while until areas started failing due to the original render and the fact that it wasn’t cleaned ready to receive the tyrolean.

Then when the tyrolean looked bad they just painted over the top of that with no prep and probably shite paint.

So that’s why it’s cracking and peeling! Knock it all off, put your hand in your pocket and pay a decent squad of lads to render it properly this time.
Tis the plan.

Just comes down to best products, methods, systems
Trying to pick brains so I am not totally blind going into it
 

themucky1

Well-Known Member
Lol, tbf all the plasterers I seen look like cripples, and having done my elbow neck and shoulder in doing it, I can understand why

No wasn't me that did any of it BTW

So the tyrolene is a bodge over cracked render and is maybe bodged over with paint in an attempt to hide it further, or its structural which I am nearly certain it isn't

So back to brick and redoe this (front and side of house)

The back of the house has a 2 story extension on which is not tyrolene, it is sand and cement painted. And its mess, its a diy job (and not by a bricklayer either lol.
Generally its fairly flat, but there are numerous cracks which have then been chased out plus an inch and patched in (badly), plus the odd hairline from corners of windows and quoins.
Imo having done a bit of bad rendering in the past I reckon its shrinkage and was repaired a few weeks after it was done, as I haven't seen anything get worse in the last 10 years.
Having tapped about on it I believe its solid, I certainly don't fancy trying to get it off.

Is there a way to skim over it with a thin layer (like 3mm), can the same product be used front and back

Next door had theirs done in k rend a few years ago but the result is poor tbh, and I don't think its suitable for the back of the house
Yes
 

Topspread16

Well-Known Member
Am maybe gonna get all technical on you but you get to learn these important things in your 3 years.
Bricks on top of each is no good, not very strong
1 brick on top of 2 is much better

Still a piece of piss though
Unless you’ve done a header course then it’s 1 on top of 3. :numberone:
 
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