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Phillcbr400

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Im new to the forum so hello!
im a spark by trade and I'm after some advise too what I need before I go ahead and get quotes off the professionals.
I'm wanting the bath/shower and sink to be tiled and the rest a plaster finish (tiles stepped out).

i was thinking of rendering the block and brick work around the bath and sink, PB or MB and skim on the stud work, and browning and skim the brick.

Would this be ok?
Any advice will be aappreciated
phill

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Sand and cement all the brickwork, don't skim where its going to be tiled, use knauf aquua board for wet areas to be tiled, don't skim this either, use all moisture resistant board wher its not to,be tiled ,skim this, I don't know where the browning comes in?
welcome by the way
 
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Its all personal preference really matey, it doesn't HAVE to be rendered anywhere, plaster is fine as long as its treated properly with an acrylic primer before being tiled.. Even tanking companies often state that in wet rooms you only need to tank the wet area floor and 4 inches up the walls..

Moister board on the stud work makes no difference if its being skimmed, if its going to get damp the skim will blow anyway..

However all this said, Rendering is obviously the best option and will last forever under any circumstances of damp getting through! And as said above, its pointless skimming the areas that are to be tiled as this defeats the object of you rendering it in the first place. Just remember, Acrylic primer when tiling and NOT PVA, PVA re emulsifies when wet, so if water was to penetrate the tiles, this in theory could blow your tiles. Then again, you shouldn't need to prime Waterproofed render in the first place!

Good luck geezer :)
 
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Its all personal preference really matey, it doesn't HAVE to be rendered anywhere, plaster is fine as long as its treated properly with an acrylic primer before being tiled.. Even tanking companies often state that in wet rooms you only need to tank the wet area floor and 4 inches up the walls..

Moister board on the stud work makes no difference if its being skimmed, if its going to get damp the skim will blow anyway..

However all this said, Rendering is obviously the best option and will last forever under any circumstances of damp getting through! And as said above, its pointless skimming the areas that are to be tiled as this defeats the object of you rendering it in the first place. Just remember, Acrylic primer when tiling and NOT PVA, PVA re emulsifies when wet, so if water was to penetrate the tiles, this in theory could blow your tiles. Then again, you shouldn't need to prime Waterproofed render in the first place!

Good luck geezer :)
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I could not use bonding or hardwall in a bathroom myself,regardless of primer, but loads do I suppose, I always insist on moisture boards or knauf aqua panel, don't see the point in not using them but again loads do,if you prime over browning I find that it starts to go soft again, any insight into this @Freerider ,not disagreeing with you, intrigued a bit my Surrey geezer
 
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Hi Mate

welcome to the forum! (even if you are a Spark! LOL) - don't worry, I'm not really a spread either.... don't tell anyone though :rolleyes)

This is what you want as a tile backer onto the studs Knauf Aquapanel Interior

I hope this is what John-Asif ment .... he had better edit it! :RpS_cursing:

Good Luck!
 
That's cool man, I agree with everything you said anyway! Was just trying to point out you don't NEED to do that like lots of people assume!

Remember, you shouldn't really be tiling over backing plasters anyway (Browning, Bonding, Hardwall etc/) So priming them, althought it kinda works, isn't really recommended anyway!

Also in new builds, they never use aqua panel, hardibacker, render etc/ Bathrooms are near enough always boarded with your standard plasterboard, not even moisture board.. I know new builds quality of work is pretty **** but just pointing out that just your standard board work generally complies with regulations!

I never render bathrooms, unless specifically asked too, just quite a lot more effort involved when really un necessary! We fitted a wet room a few months back, and as per the instructions on the kit, just tanked wet area and 4 inches up the wall.. if anything was to get behind the tiles the primers more than sufficient to hold back the water and guided it down to the tanked area.
 
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That's cool man, I agree with everything you said anyway! Was just trying to point out you don't NEED to do that like lots of people assume!

Remember, you shouldn't really be tiling over backing plasters anyway (Browning, Bonding, Hardwall etc/) So priming them, althought it kinda works, isn't really recommended anyway!

Also in new builds, they never use aqua panel, hardibacker, render etc/ Bathrooms are near enough always boarded with your standard plasterboard, not even moisture board.. I know new builds quality of work is pretty **** but just pointing out that just your standard board work generally complies with regulations!

I never render bathrooms, unless specifically asked too, just quite a lot more effort involved when really un necessary! We fitted a wet room a few months back, and as per the instructions on the kit, just tanked wet area and 4 inches up the wall.. if anything was to get behind the tiles the primers more than sufficient to hold back the water and guided it down to the tanked area.
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I do some much refurbish work and just like to know enough that I can advise or swerve some stuff, lots of developers I work for would 9.5mm everything if the could, wet rooms are generally well specified on our jobs, notting hill areas especially,
 
Thanks for the advice I was initially going to use hardibacker but it's cheaper to render the wet areas. The plasterboard on the stud wall will get maybe a splash at the most bit I'm only going to tile where it is rendered..

I thought browning was the first coat applied to brickwork but looks like I was wrong on that one .


The thing I can't get my head around is if I want the tiles to stand off the wall as such. When I install the plasterboard this will be 12.5 plus a skim so lets call it 15mm. Will the render need to be 15mm aswell where they meet (the rendered brick to the plasterboard stud) As that seems maybe too much. As for the rest the plaster can match my render.
 
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