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i live in Doncaster John but am seriously interested, apparently according to our younger fraternity i'm doing it all wrong , so wished i'd done a course !!
 
No wonder the trade is on a downward path with ads like this.What you need is a lacky by the sounds of things,probably on the cheap. I started plastering at 15 thats toffee that you are not strong enough as a teenager. We need to train plasterers not donkeys.
 
No wonder the trade is on a downward path with ads like this.What you need is a lacky by the sounds of things,probably on the cheap. I started plastering at 15 thats toffee that you are not strong enough as a teenager. We need to train plasterers not donkeys.

Talking from years of experience. Had my time wasted by youth and no! I am not wasting anymore time on them. I offer training in all aspects of rendering and have no time for dreamers. Hence why the previous experience. I find those who need a second chance the better than those who fancy becoming a renderer and then can,t handle the weight and the bad weather and complete waste of my valuable time.

Anyway if this is the kind of response I am going to get I am pulling the ad and **** you prick!
 
Rigsby I think would of been a great teacher for anyone learning the external works. Plastering is donkey work but there are grades of donkeys.
 
Think rigsbys ad was spot on, straight to the point.
no young dreamers feckin about on their phone all day, whinging ,and moaning.therefore hopefully he won't get time wasters .seems to know his stuff,and his opinion of you toppsy stroppsy seems spot on too.:RpS_biggrin:...
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Aye right.
 
Oh dear . if we are talking about training I have probably trained in excess of 100 real apprentices in 50+ years. I have attained qualifications at all levels of plastering and building including teaching and examining more than 2000. All my apprentices taken straight from school. Not renderers ,finishers etc etc but real plasterers apprentices all City and Guilds or GNVQ qualified.I am sorry if you want to train a plasterer train a plasterer not a renderer or skimmer or any other small part of the trade. Wake up you are killing the trade
A real plasterer would train his apprentice to go forward with confidence in any aspect of the trade. If you want a robot buy one. Is this what plasterers want with their art??????????????/
 
You do need to get off the high horse a bit. Nothing wrong with learning one aspect thoroughly.the trainee can learn what the like afterwards.i believe monkeys can plaster if given a chance .calm yourselve a bit.
 
Have i missed a thread somewhere......................:RpS_confused:
Rigsby offered up a good chance to learn a bit his craft with an honest no nonsense post........ then fannybaws stroppsy tried to rip into it..:rolleyes)
.so now their may be chance missed for some one to learn under the wing of rigsby .....
who's ruining the trade stropsy ???????
 
Anyone having a quick read of this thread, have a look through some old posts and see how much constructive,knowledgeable advice Rigsby has given out many times
 
Talking from years of experience. Had my time wasted by youth and no! I am not wasting anymore time on them. I offer training in all aspects of rendering and have no time for dreamers. Hence why the previous experience. I find those who need a second chance the better than those who fancy becoming a renderer and then can,t handle the weight and the bad weather and complete waste of my valuable time.

Anyway if this is the kind of response I am going to get I am pulling the ad and **** you prick!
You know more about renders then most people ,don,t let one **** take away the chance of someone learning your knowledge
 
end of the day hes offered work to somebody. offered to teach them and hasnt even mentioned a wage so get off your high horse and pipe down
 
Well, even though I 'liked' Rigsbys' original post I reckon topstrop has a point about 'killing' the trade. Anyone coming into this game should be given a grounding in all aspects of the game before specialising in one aspect of it :RpS_thumbup:
 
We all started somewhere, why not with exteriors?

If I was a mechanic and applied for a job in a scoda garage, I wouldn't complain because they hadn't taught me about Ferrari engines.

Let's be realistic here, Rigsby knows his sh1t, he has an awful lot to offer.

He would teach a lad more in a week that that muppet would in 3 months in a classroom,. and anyone with their head screwed on the right way should jump at the chance.

I know I would, even now!
 
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Well said topstrop I like your way of thinking. the trade is being undermined by so called plasterers, you know the kind skim a wall, buy a white van and guess what I am a plasterer. I to have spent over forty years in the trade from apprentice to programme leader, and I can turn my hand to any aspect of the trade from fibrous repairs,through to putting a floor down in semi dry sand and cement.
And as for the comment cant do it teach, I would like to see them in a workshop running a fluted column, or even a simple panel mould, so my response to that is if you cant teach, or dont have any qualification buy a white van and skim walls
 
Oh dear . if we are talking about training I have probably trained in excess of 100 real apprentices in 50+ years. I have attained qualifications at all levels of plastering and building including teaching and examining more than 2000. All my apprentices taken straight from school. Not renderers ,finishers etc etc but real plasterers apprentices all City and Guilds or GNVQ qualified.I am sorry if you want to train a plasterer train a plasterer not a renderer or skimmer or any other small part of the trade. Wake up you are killing the trade
A real plasterer would train his apprentice to go forward with confidence in any aspect of the trade. If you want a robot buy one. Is this what plasterers want with their art??????????????/


how is training a young lad up to become a renderer killing the trade? and how can he train a lad up to do plastering if he doesn't do it.
rendering isn't a small part of the trade is it,
if anything its the fastest growing part of the trade with all the different types of rendering coming through in the last few years.
 
Well said topstrop I like your way of thinking. the trade is being undermined by so called plasterers, you know the kind skim a wall, buy a white van and guess what I am a plasterer. I to have spent over forty years in the trade from apprentice to programme leader, and I can turn my hand to any aspect of the trade from fibrous repairs,through to putting a floor down in semi dry sand and cement.
And as for the comment cant do it teach, I would like to see them in a workshop running a fluted column, or even a simple panel mould, so my response to that is if you cant teach, or dont have any qualification buy a white van and skim walls

times are changing, there are very few apprentices coming through for various reasons. so if you can learn rendering off a fella that knows his stuff hands on, and forge out a career for yourself, what's the issue.
 
Ok critics
My right to reply. Lets start with my training. 5 years apprenticeship With Alan Milne Plastering, followed by 4 years as a trainee site agent with Bovis then 3 years as supervisor with Telling plasterers. Went into business in 1970 as a plastering company eventually owning there plastering companies.sat on the national wages council and like to feel I helped bring building wages and respect for tradesmen forward from the dark ages. Member of the FDPC for many years Sold out to Haymills builders in 1990. Invited to be an examiner by CITB also asked to teach at a college when they failed to find a lecturer. Since that date have owned a Labour agency and now own a plastering,film and craft supply company Qualifications: First Class City & Guilds intermediate and advanced in plastering. Won every award that was available at the time plus put together world skills with The Plasterers Federation and Joe Sawyer at East Ham school of building.Trained to ONC building with Bovis. Trained to level 4 For all subjects in general building. plastering, dry lining and ceiling fixing.CITB examiner. Judge me how you like I only have 55 years in the trad but for me the only way forward is the youth of this country trained in a proper fashion as in this case plasterers apprentices that learn every aspect of their craft
 
im made up for you and your impressive cv is to be admired,
but I served my apprenticeship covering all aspects of plastering, rendering fibrous etc, doesn't mean didly squat now to me, as for last 4 years all ive done is rendering. ive trained lads up to render, they couldnt skim a wall, but im not interested, as long as they can render to a good standard , whats the issue. I don't think the devlopers that we work for cares if they've done an apprenticeship or not as long as there rendering is up to a good standard. in my opnion they will forge out a better career rendering than plastering with all the various different types of render now out there.
 
Well said topstrop I like your way of thinking. the trade is being undermined by so called plasterers, you know the kind skim a wall, buy a white van and guess what I am a plasterer. I to have spent over forty years in the trade from apprentice to programme leader, and I can turn my hand to any aspect of the trade from fibrous repairs,through to putting a floor down in semi dry sand and cement.
And as for the comment cant do it teach, I would like to see them in a workshop running a fluted column, or even a simple panel mould, so my response to that is if you cant teach, or dont have any qualification buy a white van and skim walls

the comment i made about teaching was a line from a film but seen as you cant take a flippant comment without getting your knickers in a twist......................:rolleyes)


 
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I need to get the point across. This and all trades need properly trained apprentices with a wide range of skills. We need to mould them from school. Its rubbish that teenagers are not strong enough to do the work.Its fine to specialize and concentrate on one or more elements of the trade after you have a thorough grounding in the craft. We slate the foreigners that come here from Poland and elsewhere but honesty they are being trained more thoroughly and have a work ethic that gives a full days work for a full days pay.As for the Developers well we all know their attitude. I have no axe to grind with Rigsbys rendering its the way he wrote off teenagers as did another respondent. Most wannabees are prepared to work hard we all have had the lazy or the ones who just cant cut it. I understand that Rigsby and others specialize, get together and take on an apprentice between you and pass him on to another to learn the trade before we lose our craft/art.
 
I stopped reading your post topstrop when I saw BOVIS.

I don't usually kiss arse, but rigsby is from round here and has a fantastic reputation around Rotherham and Sheffield, would make a good teacher for anyone.
 
And if I have not just sunk a **** load of cash into my own small business I would have been very interested.

Good luck rigsby
 
Ok critics
My right to reply. Lets start with my training. 5 years apprenticeship With Alan Milne Plastering, followed by 4 years as a trainee site agent with Bovis then 3 years as supervisor with Telling plasterers. Went into business in 1970 as a plastering company eventually owning there plastering companies.sat on the national wages council and like to feel I helped bring building wages and respect for tradesmen forward from the dark ages. Member of the FDPC for many years Sold out to Haymills builders in 1990. Invited to be an examiner by CITB also asked to teach at a college when they failed to find a lecturer. Since that date have owned a Labour agency and now own a plastering,film and craft supply company Qualifications: First Class City & Guilds intermediate and advanced in plastering. Won every award that was available at the time plus put together world skills with The Plasterers Federation and Joe Sawyer at East Ham school of building.Trained to ONC building with Bovis. Trained to level 4 For all subjects in general building. plastering, dry lining and ceiling fixing.CITB examiner. Judge me how you like I only have 55 years in the trad but for me the only way forward is the youth of this country trained in a proper fashion as in this case plasterers apprentices that learn every aspect of their craft
That,s all well and good mate ,but you spelled trade wrong :RpS_thumbup:
 
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