Questions on asbestos in artex

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robholliday85

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Hi Everyone
working on a job tomorrow need some advice
old semi detached about 1950s possibly older, the woman who lives there has been renting and she found out the house had no earth when the sparky came to change some lights. so total re wire channels everywhere

he also found an asbestos board that the consumer unit was on.
and told her to get it removed or hes not doin anthing

what risks are there for me in this?
ive got to overboard a ceiling over artex then reskim the walls
how do I know what im screwing into isnt asbestos when i overboard the ceiling?
ive herd its in some old artex is it better to use bonding coat then skim a day later so im not disturbing it.

i know its bad and i should but i dont know what the risks are for plasterers on these old properties

can't mess about when its your health!

any comments welcome
Rob
 
There is a risk , its up to the individual i guess , i have scrapped s**t loads of artex in ignorance , dont anymore though , my uncle is dying from asbestosis contracted from cutting asbestos roof tiles years ago ,so for me it dont bare thinking about ,
 
Same here mate, seen people puttin it in skips, disgusting.
Dont mess with it mate, did you know your wife can get asbestos poisoning from washing and ironing your clothes.
Mines quite safe ::)
 
Apparently its the airborne particles you have to worry about the further away from the work the area the worst it is , but i think of the dust sheets take them outside give them a shake and put them in the van dust everywhere , next job sheets out the van dust everywhere again you just cant get away from it .
 
If you think it's got asbestos in it get it tested!
If it's positive then get it removed by licensed contractors!
Don't mess about with it as the customer can sue you.
I know it sounds over the top but i know a company that got done for ripping a ceiling down with artex on it & the customer knew it contained asbestos & he filmed the blokes chucking bits of board in the back of their van & left dust on the floor after they'd finished etc.

The company got done & lost contracts & lots of work etc.
We went to finish the job he showed me the video.
It's not worth the risk.

My mate got a quote for a job he was doing it was just under a grand to remove 16m2 ceiling containing asbestos :o
 
My Father in law runs a swimming/social club place and it cost alot of wonga to get shut of a really small area of the stuff.
Where are you based mate? I rang a firm recently and they were charging £10 to test as he said hed put it in with some of their stuff that was going for testing.
 
Nisus said:
If you think it's got asbestos in it get it tested!
If it's positive then get it removed by licensed contractors!
Don't mess about with it as the customer can sue you.
I know it sounds over the top but i know a company that got done for ripping a ceiling down with artex on it & the customer knew it contained asbestos & he filmed the blokes chucking bits of board in the back of their van & left dust on the floor after they'd finished etc.

The company got done & lost contracts & lots of work etc.
We went to finish the job he showed me the video.
It's not worth the risk.

My mate got a quote for a job he was doing it was just under a grand to remove 16m2 ceiling containing asbestos :o
What a c*nt filming them knowing what it was.
 
what an arsehole really is some f*ckers out there
thanks for your help
might be worth having it tested
im based in derby so if i can find out what it is for a tenner its worth it
 
just been round to see her

thanks but im too late the sparkys gone though the ceiling instead of taking her floorboards up
so ive got to board it now anyway
the landlord was there helping out so i grilled him about getting the place checked he said
that artex was put on in the 80s but that HSE site says any artex before 2000 may contain asbestos

but what do i know ey im just a kid

think this job might be a nightmare they want me to knock some money of my quote because i dont have to skim all the way to the floor because it will be behind units,

no chance
 
Was banned in 89-90 but that's not to say people didn't still use it if they had some left over stock etc
Plus stuff from abroad coming over aswell & being used here.

If your gonna do it mate just make sure you wear a good mask.
Try to keep dust down to a minmum ;)
 
ere's something i bet not many of you lot know...
ever heard of silicosis? one down from asbestosis on the 'nasty sh't o meter'.... true...
ever used a styll saw?
silicon is contained in just about every hard building material in use for the last 'god knows how many' years...
its a super fine dust when attacked with a styll saw, so fine that in poor light you cant even see it...
if you ingest more than about a pin head of this stuff per shift youre at serious risk of developing silicosis later on in life....
so how many of you have cut kerbs/blocks/walls with a styll saw and how many times did you wear a mask?
never mind old lath and plaster ceilings soot and sulfur eh?
this from the new hse attention sheet posted up in the office...
 
Chris W said:
ere's something i bet not many of you lot know...
ever heard of silicosis? one down from asbestosis on the 'nasty sh't o meter'.... true...
ever used a styll saw?
silicon is contained in just about every hard building material in use for the last 'god knows how many' years...
its a super fine dust when attacked with a styll saw, so fine that in poor light you cant even see it...
if you ingest more than about a pin head of this stuff per shift youre at serious risk of developing silicosis later on in life....
so how many of you have cut kerbs/blocks/walls with a styll saw and how many times did you wear a mask?
never mind old lath and plaster ceilings soot and sulfur eh?
this from the new hse attention sheet posted up in the office...

I'm gonna go and abuse some alcohol then before i peg it , not long for me now by the sounds of things :'( :'(
 
my thoughts exactly..... wish I'd known that 20 years ago...
I smoke though, and drink excessively, so I should get the major organs to run a sweepstake on which bits gonna go first...
knowing my luck I'll drop off a scaffold or something silly and hang myself on the f'ckin lanyard ;D
 
Chris W said:
ere's something i bet not many of you lot know...
ever heard of silicosis? one down from asbestosis on the 'nasty sh't o meter'.... true...
ever used a styll saw?
silicon is contained in just about every hard building material in use for the last 'god knows how many' years...
its a super fine dust when attacked with a styll saw, so fine that in poor light you cant even see it...
if you ingest more than about a pin head of this stuff per shift youre at serious risk of developing silicosis later on in life....
so how many of you have cut kerbs/blocks/walls with a styll saw and how many times did you wear a mask?
never mind old lath and plaster ceilings soot and sulfur eh?
this from the new hse attention sheet posted up in the office...

didnt know that mate, i bet not many do. but from now on i'm gonna use a mask, ive got a real good quality one with filters just sat in the van.
 
its not just the operator mate.... you know what its like, anyone downwind gets a lungfull.. i think the article was entitled 'dust control using concrete / masonary cutting equipment' or somesuch...
going on about industrial hoovers attached to the guard, wet cutting using a hose, 2 litres per minute apparently is the optimum, any more is a waste of water, especially when using a water reservoir attached to the machine... even when outside...
its the inside jobs that are gonna cause problems....
those respirators youve got are the way to go...
those paper things are bloody useless....
 
Asbestos is well over played, theres BIG money in asbestos removeall and they want to keep it that way.

Does anyone know anyone who got anything from Artex? cos I dont.
 
nelly said:
Asbestos is well over played, theres BIG money in asbestos removeall and they want to keep it that way.

Does anyone know anyone who got anything from Artex? cos I dont.

Nellys right on this. there is fe ck all asbestos in artex but ur prob better off minimizing
the risk. If u get artex analysed , rather than saying they cant find any and facing the
possibility of future prosecution they will tell you they have found 'trace' or someother
boll1x elements in the sample. Someone tell me I'm wrong
 
nope, theirs asbestos specialists ripping up the floor tiles in some of the houses im on but not one person has been in and removed the artex on some of the bathroom ceilings ive skimmed...
and not one person has mentioned the possibility either...
and i'll be f'cked if im gonna make an issue of it either...
 
nelly said:
Asbestos is well over played, theres BIG money in asbestos removeall and they want to keep it that way.

Does anyone know anyone who got anything from Artex? cos I dont.

Thing is mate i don't know anyone who has got lung cancer from smoking, but it happens ;)

I had a relative in the building trade who died from asbestos related lung disease a few years ago.
not saying it was artex though.

There is minimum risk as said before from artex I've scraped loads in the past so have millions of people,
but if customers know about the health & safety bull5hit surrounding this subject at present, even if there's only a
small risk, you could still get done for it!

The insurance companies i work for won't let us on a job if there's a trace of asbestos present, it's got to be removed by licensed contractors.
Plus we have to go on asbestos awarness courses to work on their jobs.

It's all b0ll0x but it's what has to be done nowadays.

Like also said there's big money in asbestos removal ;)
 
Nellys right on this. there is fe ck all asbestos in artex but ur prob better off minimizing
the risk. If u get artex analysed , rather than saying they cant find any and facing the
possibility of future prosecution they will tell you they have found 'trace' or someother
boll1x elements in the sample. Someone tell me I'm wrong
So wrong. Unbelievable attitude
 
My grandad worked for british rail all has life and by the end could only use 20% lung capacity due to asbestosis so it can deffo **** you up. He still made 92 and that not what finished him but ******* scares me what dammage you could have already done. Best not to think about it
 
My grandad worked for british rail all has life and by the end could only use 20% lung capacity due to asbestosis so it can deffo **** you up. He still made 92 and that not what finished him but ******* scares me what dammage you could have already done. Best not to think about it
Mine worked at BREL carriage works for 27 years and has known quite a few die from pneumoconiosis/asbestosis. One just lately who was on the asbestos advisory board. If you think Artex is bad enough just think of all those old Pullman rail cars with the compartments. The air system was full of sprayed asbestos.
Lets face it, in 20 odd years time or whenever someone might find that plasterdust from mixing skim is a carconogenic :rolleyes)
I would've thought overboarding wouldn't kick up much dust if you screw the boards up?
 
Nellys right on this. there is fe ck all asbestos in artex but ur prob better off minimizing
the risk. If u get artex analysed , rather than saying they cant find any and facing the
possibility of future prosecution they will tell you they have found 'trace' or someother
boll1x elements in the sample. Someone tell me I'm wrong
you are correct
 
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