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Lads i am noticing alot of talk recently on prices and lets face it they are S1ht at the mo. Some comments are " no money in this game any more" and "been undercut" etc the domestic boys are shocked at the rates on site and so on. I recon the trouble started when harry enfield and his loadsa money character followed by a million programmes on TV about how tradesmen all drive ferrari cars and will rip you off in a second because they are earning tens of thousands and thousands every week have led to the rate issue its embedded in peoples minds but i can think back over 8 years I was getting 2.00 for skim on site then 2.50 then 3.00/3.25 peak 18 months ago. not a great deal of increase for nearly a decade??? now were back to 2.00/2.50 ish (these are just my examples of site subbies as this is the most common workplace) would other trades or any workers accept this treatment or even take a wage from 8 years ago?? I doubt it you only have to look at a fireman the wrong way and he goes on strike AGAIN for ANOTHER pay rise (never beep by the way building sites kill more than fires) WE need to think of a way to come together and and get it sorted we need to refuse crap money your skills are worthy not worthless I dont want to see plastering as a paupers job. we have been left behind. I have good lads at home that wont come off the dole because of the crap site money? surely thats gone too far

I want peoples thoughts on the issue
 
Great post, it is an injustice what we get paid on sites (although I do domestic) the trouble is whilst people work for it they will not change, I do not see the day when there is an alliance to stop it.
 
Sounds fair enough but there a good spreads and s**t ones should they all get the same coz they call themselves plasterers coz its written on their vans?
 
I think the reason plastering prices didn't go up that much over the last 15 years is because of the rise and rise of dot and dab and tape and jointing, you can teach a monkey to dot and dab and tape and joint to a "reasonable" standard. When most of the houses were float and set it took time to become a tradesman plasterer. Now you have more and more houses being D&D and then skimmed, and you have people that can only skim (again not that skilled) calling themselves plasterers. The more the real skill is taken out of the trade the more we will be looked upon as a joke trade with low wages.
I know there are lads on here who will think I'm having a pop at them but I'm really not, it's just the way I feel things have gone.
 
completely agree. something needs to be done. but like flynny said, how do u seperate the good from the bad? nvq? i think not...
 
hopefully the new rules on the disposal of plasterboard will bring back float and set as the prefered method, skimmers and tape and jointers can get to fcuk
 
pug i'd actually like that. not done alot of float and set as not many people have ever asked us to do it. i don't think they will though because dot and dab speeds the whole process up. they shouldn't allow 'skimmer's or 'dabbers'. just PLASTERERS!
 
i think you might be wrong about the NVQ's i know a lot of lads slag the cscs but it will have its place next year, ive said for years once these cards come in and work is tight what type of card and what quals you have will start some kind of pay structure. Just imagine we start training in a big way, most kids i have trained and kids i know have been trained by others, after their first year in college and once they can skim they sack college well lets imagine a fully qualified plasterer with all the skills gets paid more than lets say unqualified, then nvq 1, then nvq 11, then nvq 111 more will stay in college the country will save valuable skills which lets have it right are being lost due to what ive mentioned and essex andy mentioned. The CSCS card is starting to do this its a european thing which my lecturers warned us about 20 years ago i guarantee you phone a job next year it wont just be have you got a CSCS card it will be what colour is it and whats written on the back.
 
i know people dont like the fact that there are people like me who cant do backing out/rendering but i was showen to skim and never got the chance to do the rest. ll my work is skimmin and to be faif never need and real backing out skills? but im doing my best to learn the old skool stuff as i want to do it.weather it makes me money or not.
 
i agree flynny, it will work but not the way its set up at the minute. these 2 week courses dont help either. i know some people come off them and be sucessful but the more plasterers they get through the system, means more competition. which means lower prices.
 
I have only ever done plastering and its all i know my old man told me there will be good times and bad so i have learned to go with the flow swings and roundabouts and i know we are all struggling but the good times will return that's all you have to keep telling yourself ;)
 
flynny you can get an NVQ without even settign foot on a building site when i got my first cscs 5 years ago it was this time next year you wont get on site essexandy and grand wizard prob got told the same when it first came in in the early 90's there has always been chancers since the day dot its just this cscs card and nvq system has made it easier for them to get jobs

as for prices in 9 years of plastering ive earned between 1.50 and 3.75 for skimming and ive always earned a decent wage what ever the price has been you just have to work harder for it when times are s**t as a subby you are never going to have the same wage structures as say a fireman they have a strong union behind them we have USHATT if we are lucky but even then they just want to march and shout about ppl dieing on site (from my experience)

as i see it you does your job an takes your money

or sit on the dole and complain
 
NVQS and CSCS cards, the governments Trustmark scheme, FMB, Dulux select, Master Craftsman...all a joke imo I could get them all tmw with a bit of cash and little skill and i'd be accepted onto site or get jobs in peoples homes?!

Theres no easy way to regulate, although I believe Germany has a successful system of checking tradesmans skills before they take on work...

As for prices dropping so many factors have influenced it...I never experienced the 'good times' in a trade so don't know any different from now...but i'm sure there will be a skills shortage of the next few years with tradesman packing in, few apprenticeships etc...

But to be honest during a recession whos going to have plastering done? or decorating?

If you want to continue making money during a recession and your not established train as a plumber or electrician supplying services that people can't do without.
 
oasis said:
i know people dont like the fact that there are people like me who cant do backing out/rendering but i was showen to skim and never got the chance to do the rest. ll my work is skimmin and to be faif never need and real backing out skills? but im doing my best to learn the old skool stuff as i want to do it.weather it makes me money or not.
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dont take things so personal :p
 
steve_cov_spread said:
i agree flynny, it will work but not the way its set up at the minute. these 2 week courses dont help either. i know some people come off them and be sucessful but the more plasterers they get through the system, means more competition. which means lower prices.
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the two week courses dont come with a CSCS card.
 
oasis said:
i know people dont like the fact that there are people like me who cant do backing out/rendering but i was showen to skim and never got the chance to do the rest. ll my work is skimmin and to be faif never need and real backing out skills? but im doing my best to learn the old skool stuff as i want to do it.weather it makes me money or not.
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Good on ya then mate.

I learnt the game before dry lineing existed so I know how to backing coat but I rarely get asked and I allways opt to dot n dab the walls anyway.
 
yeah but to get the cscs card u have to do a test, which took me 8 minutes. one of the questions is how to wear a hard hat?!!!!!! how can that be good for the construction industry?!
 
napper83 said:
flynny you can get an NVQ without even settign foot on a building site when i got my first cscs 5 years ago it was this time next year you wont get on site essexandy and grand wizard prob got told the same when it first came in in the early 90's there has always been chancers since the day dot its just this cscs card and nvq system has made it easier for them to get jobs

as for prices in 9 years of plastering ive earned between 1.50 and 3.75 for skimming and ive always earned a decent wage what ever the price has been you just have to work harder for it when times are (german word) as a subby you are never going to have the same wage structures as say a fireman they have a strong union behind them we have USHATT if we are lucky but even then they just want to march and shout about ppl dieing on site (from my experience)

as i see it you does your job an takes your money

or sit on the dole and complain
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I was told the same and mine has just ran out 5 years old and im renewing it but look at any job advertised for site or step foot on a site if you aint got the card bye bye, this wasnt the case 5 years ago you also mention unions another thing of the past which people thought would be around for ever i remember people laughing at others with hard hats on sayin they wouldnt take of and it was only ten years ago high viz vests were comin in times are changing and if you bury your head in the sand thinking it will go away im afraid not this time.
 
steve_cov_spread said:
yeah but to get the cscs card u have to do a test, which took me 8 minutes. one of the questions is how to wear a hard hat?!!!!!! how can that be good for the construction industry?!
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8 minutes im surprised it took so long lol the health and safety part is good for the construction industry coz if you know it piss it but if you dont you shouldnt be on a site but your missing the point this will all come down to whats on the back and what colour it is.
 
there are two parts to the card the point being made is work is tight a more qualified workforce is required and if your not qualified you are not getting on site and it wont be long before misses jones on the domestic is askin to see what skills you have on your CSCS card then, well you know the rest.
 
an thats the only reason i have the card flynny is most sites i cant get on without it now are the chip and pin style cards out yet?

i gotta resit my test before the end of december
 
Every time someone mentions private work, this Mrs Jones' name is mentioned. She must have a very big house, because just about every tradesman on every forum has worked for her.
 
napper83 said:
an thats the only reason i have the card flynny is most sites i cant get on without it now are the chip and pin style cards out yet?

i gotta resit my test before the end of december
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ive got my test in the mornin so will be sending it off in the afternoon ;) im pretty sure they are out now but will let you know properly next week.
 
TonyM said:
Every time someone mentions private work, this Mrs Jones' name is mentioned. She must have a very big house, because just about every tradesman on every forum has worked for her.
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na just a small house but every plasterer that has turned up doesnt have a CSCS card ;)
 
So is the goverment going to tell everyone, when you have work done at your'e house, ask them for a card ?.
 
i've always thought that del i dont think there ever will be a national advertising campaign with regards to cscs like there is for gas safe as you cant really kill anyone with a bit of dodgy skimming
 
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