spunkybum said:im sure there was a fixing around that you could use to directly screw into the p/board not the joists .....i didnt dream this one honest!.......anyone heard of it?
warriorupnorth said:Why why why , been overboarding ceilings for nearly thirty years and never cross batted yet, ok if your gonna underdraw the ceiling (lower it) but why complicate things and add more expense to an already competetive market , just knock some small holes in the ceiling find the joists and over board the f****ker
time is money, c'mon
platinum said:warriorupnorth said:Why why why , been overboarding ceilings for nearly thirty years and never cross batted yet, ok if your gonna underdraw the ceiling (lower it) but why complicate things and add more expense to an already competetive market , just knock some small holes in the ceiling find the joists and over board the f****ker
time is money, c'mon
;D ;D ;D
Ok in answer to your question i'd like to way up the pro's Vs the Con's.
downside:
34.5mm of ceiling height gone forever (omg!) :-[
lose out on £10 (MAX) of profit having to pay £1.64 per 2.4 meters.. (omg!) :-[
Plus side: ;D
1) stronger ........this is because as with a lot of older ceilings they may sag in area's also they will have used cloat nails instead of screws which will in time work loose. this is the foundation of our new ceiling were talking about by the way! just before we double the weight of it!!!!.... by battening up your sandwiching the old ceiling between the new batterns and the joists with screws... thus its solid and will forever be solid.
2) save time..... thats right save time.... instead of messing around stabbing ceiling to find joists not knowing if your in the joists properly or half in or half out!
3)easier to board....... this is because you can see where your boards and cuts are ending in the same way as doing a stud wall....
4) no movement ..... with older ceilings some of the cloat nails may have already come loose and therefore risk cracks in your newly plastered ceiling over time.....
5) better alround job with a better longer lasting finish.......
so looks like i'l complicate things and continue to battern then .... the choice is yours daz ;D ;D ;D
platinum said:best way by miles is to buy some timber from b and q 50 x 25mm .... screw these into your joists then you've got a frame to work to...... sure it costs for the wood about £1.50 for 2.4m..... but the benefits are endless.... stremgthens the ceiling by sandwiching the old board.... giving your new ceiling more strength and you've got a visual guide instead of guessing where the joists are...... trust me buddy by far best way..... ;D
very good point mate (wink) i did an overboard recently and just missed a huge pipe ......err the big grey one?? .......absoluetly shat myself and quickly thanked god (smile) .....it ran alongside a small boxing in in the corner of the room .......be a little weary (wink)..........(im touching myself).........(wink)FatmanWithATrowel said:I hate breaking into the ceiling - so may sparks and plumbers just chuck their gear on the boards now and dont clip them, you've only got to touch a plastic pipe with something sharp and it start pi$$in everywhere. I like to use a down light cutter, slightly messier but give me more control if its large enough to see whats up there all the better.
The stud detectors are sh1te mate - at least all the ones I've used. doesn't matter what they're over even plain board and its +/- 2inch and it takes soooo long and so many passes to get that far.
MUSH 9 said:platinum said:best way by miles is to buy some timber from b and q 50 x 25mm .... screw these into your joists then you've got a frame to work to...... sure it costs for the wood about £1.50 for 2.4m..... but the benefits are endless.... stremgthens the ceiling by sandwiching the old board.... giving your new ceiling more strength and you've got a visual guide instead of guessing where the joists are...... trust me buddy by far best way..... ;D
Platinum im by no means on here to slate anyone but your giving Daz 1968 the wrong end of the stick mate !!!
Firstly as Warrior said your putting un-necessary materials and labour on the job, Why !!!!!!
In order to screw your batterns to the joists youve got to find the joists first,if youve found the joists why not just do what everyone else does and fire some 50mm dry walls thro old board into the joists you've just found, this will pull the ceiling up taking out the sag your on about,also if youve found the joists correctly and ran a chalk line thro you wont need the batterns as the visual aid that your also on about Why !!!!!! Your not giving the ceiling more strenght by putting up batterns just adding more weight to it Why !!!!!!
trust me buddy by far "NOT" best way
If you were working down our way you'd be laughed of the job.
Nuff Said
platinum said:MUSH 9 said:platinum said:best way by miles is to buy some timber from b and q 50 x 25mm .... screw these into your joists then you've got a frame to work to...... sure it costs for the wood about £1.50 for 2.4m..... but the benefits are endless.... stremgthens the ceiling by sandwiching the old board.... giving your new ceiling more strength and you've got a visual guide instead of guessing where the joists are...... trust me buddy by far best way..... ;D
Platinum im by no means on here to slate anyone but your giving Daz 1968 the wrong end of the stick mate !!!
Firstly as Warrior said your putting un-necessary materials and labour on the job, Why !!!!!!
In order to screw your batterns to the joists youve got to find the joists first,if youve found the joists why not just do what everyone else does and fire some 50mm dry walls thro old board into the joists you've just found, this will pull the ceiling up taking out the sag your on about,also if youve found the joists correctly and ran a chalk line thro you wont need the batterns as the visual aid that your also on about Why !!!!!! Your not giving the ceiling more strenght by putting up batterns just adding more weight to it Why !!!!!!
trust me buddy by far "NOT" best way
If you were working down our way you'd be laughed of the job.
Nuff Said
OH NO! BEST NOT DO IT MY WAY DAZ, I'VE JUST BEEN LAUGHED OFF THE SITE!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
NUFF SAID! LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
bigsegs said:fatman? are you suggesting that a 80mm (or whetever size) holesaw is going to do less damage to cables and plastic (even copper) pipe than a pokey stick or a hammer?
yes those were the days, twenty years younger and two stone lighterbigsegs said:mmmmmm... drilling into blind spaces... the stories i could tell.. ;D