New Build - Dry Lining - Chester Area - 800m2

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6.50m2 was for the skimming not per board. this wasn't a site job was a one off the ceilings were double boarded as well so actually was more than 700m2 of boards. We decided to do the boarding on day rate as we don't have a labourer and was a lot of boards to load out setting up working platforms etc...The guy knew us, so knew we wasn't gonna rip him off. You don't wanna squeeze the rate to tight we find that £6.50/7m2 for skimming as were both pretty pedantic and like to do a spot on job. Might not be the cheapest but would rather spend a bit longer getting it done right. good luck getting your house done bud
 

masterplazterer

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your problem is you're too concerned about what your tradesmen are earning per day and what you consider "fair" than actually getting the job done. when you go to a restaurant for a meal do you start weighing up the costs of the food and the gas and electricity and what you think the chef and waiter are "worth" in your tiny mind? i hope your timber frame gets riddled with woodworm and falls down you comtemptuous pricck

You know its comments like that why I don't come on here much. Your speaking to a member of the public looking to give you give you some work you idiot
 

plasterjfe

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to be fair the price data is gathered from live projects within the industry from big companies so they are not 100 miles off tender figures for new build usually on big jobs worth over 100k but there will be costs from the job hidden to the analyst

In my experience find price books to be a little over where the rates should be around 10 to 15 percent. thats no surprise actually as 10 to 20 % is considered a normal margin for most industries where as drylining and plastering firms have recently been known to go in at between 0 and 5 percent profit - that will have ended now tho and good riddence to those dark days.


the problem here is there are many people on the forum at different levels in the chain

big Contractors with offices and staff and employ loads of subbies.
small contractors ~(mainly private work but good turn over and business)
subbies - unfortunately work for nuts rates because they have no choice most of the time dictated to by the guy at the top of the list, also the quickest and will do well if they pull off a few jobs like this as "foreigners "

I know lads getting torn on site for a couple of quid would snap the guys hand off for an extra £ per m but usually wont price this type of job as it means coming of the bread and butter day to day and after a month where do they turn for work as the bridges with the gut at the top of that list will be well burnt. oh we will fit it in at weekwnds springs to mind

the guy prob needs the middle contractor who has overheads and wages to cover plus insurances before any profit can be made. probably does not get the material for the same rate as the guy at the top of the list either go to B&Q these days and check the prices its scary - now surely he will mark the job mats up so any discount he gets will bring the mts back to the price of said B&Q (no incentive anymore - why should they risk outlay and the years of built relation with a supplier to pass the mats on at cost ? ? ? )
1 option get labour only quotes too and supply the gear.

I cant get plastering stuff as cheap as Tony has quoted there but then he wont be able to get render product as cheap as me either and so on.

Another problem here is the job is smallish (1/2 houses) and like anything with measured works you start talking discounts when your well in the to 1000s of metres certainly from a suppliers point of view anyway.

food for thought anyway

the overuling factor here is that plastering is a very diverse industry and every plasterer will have different structure and prices. finding the right size contractor is the key. it ok quoting labour rates that a subby gets on a huge building site but remember tht subby does not have big accounts for supply, in fact he prob has none, he has no hasstle of the phone ringing or puttinhg tools down to take delivery or organise anything - he rolls in at 7 spreads away in his rooms all day and then goes home wanting wage. thats not the guy who goes over plans pricing up from spec.

there, more fat to chew
I must say this thread has entertained me from a short distance
 
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TonyM

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Bet you wish you advertised this job in jobcentre now!!:RpS_lol:

I did that once. Two guys (brothers) started on a Monday morning. First thing they said was that they couldn't come on Tuesday's as it was Job Club day. By crib time I'd ****** them off.
 

kgreigh

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to be fair the price data is gathered from live projects within the industry from big companies so they are not 100 miles off tender figures for new build usually on big jobs worth over 100k but there will be costs from the job hidden to the analyst

In my experience find price books to be a little over where the rates should be around 10 to 15 percent. thats no surprise actually as 10 to 20 % is considered a normal margin for most industries where as drylining and plastering firms have recently been known to go in at between 0 and 5 percent profit - that will have ended now tho and good riddence to those dark days.


the problem here is there are many people on the forum at different levels in the chain

big Contractors with offices and staff and employ loads of subbies.
small contractors ~(mainly private work but good turn over and business)
subbies - unfortunately work for nuts rates because they have no choice most of the time dictated to by the guy at the top of the list, also the quickest and will do well if they pull off a few jobs like this as "foreigners "

I know lads getting torn on site for a couple of quid would snap the guys hand off for an extra £ per m but usually wont price this type of job as it means coming of the bread and butter day to day and after a month where do they turn for work as the bridges with the gut at the top of that list will be well burnt. oh we will fit it in at weekwnds springs to mind

the guy prob needs the middle contractor who has overheads and wages to cover plus insurances before any profit can be made. probably does not get the material for the same rate as the guy at the top of the list either go to B&Q these days and check the prices its scary - now surely he will mark the job mats up so any discount he gets will bring the mts back to the price of said B&Q (no incentive anymore - why should they risk outlay and the years of built relation with a supplier to pass the mats on at cost ? ? ? )
1 option get labour only quotes too and supply the gear.

I cant get plastering stuff as cheap as Tony has quoted there but then he wont be able to get render product as cheap as me either and so on.

Another problem here is the job is smallish (1/2 houses) and like anything with measured works you start talking discounts when your well in the to 1000s of metres certainly from a suppliers point of view anyway.

food for thought anyway

the overuling factor here is that plastering is a very diverse industry and every plasterer will have different structure and prices. finding the right size contractor is the key. it ok quoting labour rates that a subby gets on a huge building site but remember tht subby does not have big accounts for supply, in fact he prob has none, he has no hasstle of the phone ringing or puttinhg tools down to take delivery or organise anything - he rolls in at 7 spreads away in his rooms all day and then goes home wanting wage. thats not the guy who goes over plans pricing up from spec.

there, more fat to chew
I must say this thread has entertained me from a short distance
well said there jfe we sometimes forget everyone has different expectations as regards to wage and correct pricing structure,it can just get a bit controversial on here when anyone mentions "the price".:RpS_thumbup:
 

Leeroy

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Yes plasterjfe,My old man still say to me everyday, is tha having the snap nip. We was West Yorkshire 23 years ago lol :-D
 

Nisus

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jeanclaudevangyproc

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We normally use the expression open the funking till in spar for break times brilliant they even give you money to take the food !no limit on the amount either but I find you drop a few bags on way out always in a rush !!
 

Nisus

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wtf :-0 are you sure this is the same paul :RpS_unsure: there might be a law suit coming on if not :RpS_scared: the right to forget and all that

Law suit for posting a link about a news article doubt it mate,
anyway my name is Alan from the Wirral & I've never heard of him but he can find me & sue me if he wants I have ginger hair too. :)
 

Rossi46

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malc

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Right chaps,

All quite interesting stuff!

I'm happy to pay a fair rate (not looking to rinse anyone, because ultimately...the job won't get done right.....and it needs to be.....I've put my life into this build (it's an air-tight sustainable design))....the details matter.



Cheers,

if you can budget for it, then i would have top floor ceilings and the external walls double boarded. this is becoming popular now on quality new builds for it does give extra insulation values.
 
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if you want a serious price and you know what you want ie speck dates etc im from mcr pm me. im not interested in mtr prices just a straight up price for the job.
 

TonyM

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if you can budget for it, then i would have top floor ceilings and the external walls double boarded. this is becoming popular now on quality new builds for it does give extra insulation values.

I have one to do for an architect that is double boarded almost everywhere for Thermal Mass. Boosts the meterage up nicely.
 
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