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plasticfantastic

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do any of you guys give any sort of gurantee when you use the likes of Krend weber parex
over old brick work or new block work ???
 

plasterjfe

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TBH mate everyone wants a warranty now, even domestic 5 sq metre jobs. That way any problems they can hold you to it call you back piece of mind and faith in the installer see. we jsut see it as the norm.

imagine how costly it can be if you had to scaff a whole detached house and re-do it out your own pocket because the system manufacturer will always backheel the blame onto the applicator lololololol lolling and you did it for next to nowt in the first place coz the rates are shzz hahaha lol
 

malc

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yes, most give them the tail light guarantee. if you can still see the tail lights on the motor they will come back, after that you are on your own.
 

Rigsby

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I sell the manufacturers warranty from SAS and SPS. You have to do it exactly to their book or it is applicator error. If things go wrong then it is down to the building. I certainly cannot be to blame nor can the manufacturer.

I do tell them them that Mono sets brittle and will crack at the slightest movement and because it is a coloured cement then if the humidity changes in the days following application it could get lime bloom. Most now give it or me a miss.

Don't even bother with Webers 10 year warranty, waste of time.
 

RenditLtd

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do any of you guys give any sort of gurantee when you use the likes of Krend weber parex
over old brick work or new block work ???

Give them the manufacturers guarantee and make sure you only apply as per spec. If you get any cracking its easy to prove it ain't your fault as there will be almost always a crack in the substrate, and the only thing you should be worrying about is that you get it to look as it should.
 

Rigsby

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Yes I do on every job. By giving a guarantee you are giving the customer a shut off time for comebacks. Once the time is up you are in the clear.

By not giving a guarantee you could be taken to court like I knew someone on the 90's who had and if it is deemed that the work failed before it,s fair wear and tear time then it could be considered that it is down to your bad workmanship and the courts will be in the favour of the customer who can then claim costs for putting it right if you don't. The case I know of was a drainage fault found 33 years after the extension was built! The builder fortunately the week before the hearing retired and wound up his Ltd Co.

I do know of a very good guarantee which gives the opportunity of only making good the fault and only if found to be at fault. Also it is a diminishing value guarantee so say you give 10 years (lol) for £10k job, after 5 years the job is only worth £5k and if the cost of reinstatement is £6k then the customer pays the difference. Also any costs in proving you are not at fault is to be paid by the customer.

It is a guarantee I was offered by an insurance backed guarantee and their conditions of guarantee.
 

plasterjfe

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Does anyone give a written guarantee ?

the "warranty" that comes with the render is a written certificate or similar - all this garuantee lark isnt like reading the side of a tin of weathershield that says gauranteed for 15 years
the warranty comes if the applicator is approved and the spec is followed to the letter then the manufacturer issues the warranty certificate - in some cases it needs to be insurance backed by the contractor and the manufacturer.

most customers frame them and put them on the mantle piece

if plasterer public picks up say wetherby system from the trade counter and installs it as that, it is not guaranteed, likewise for all brands.

hope this helps.
 

plasterjfe

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Yes I do on every job. By giving a guarantee you are giving the customer a shut off time for comebacks. Once the time is up you are in the clear.

By not giving a guarantee you could be taken to court like I knew someone on the 90's who had and if it is deemed that the work failed before it,s fair wear and tear time then it could be considered that it is down to your bad workmanship and the courts will be in the favour of the customer who can then claim costs for putting it right if you don't. The case I know of was a drainage fault found 33 years after the extension was built! The builder fortunately the week before the hearing retired and wound up his Ltd Co.

I do know of a very good guarantee which gives the opportunity of only making good the fault and only if found to be at fault. Also it is a diminishing value guarantee so say you give 10 years (lol) for £10k job, after 5 years the job is only worth £5k and if the cost of reinstatement is £6k then the customer pays the difference. Also any costs in proving you are not at fault is to be paid by the customer.

It is a guarantee I was offered by an insurance backed guarantee and their conditions of guarantee.

all that hasstle eh john and were only just keeping the wolves from the door - really when you read into all the shizzle its baffling really what we have to do and how much we give for so little in return.

are we mad ? yes i think we are.

I was telling my sparky mate about all the criteria surrounding our game now and he said we must be crazy for the rates crazy crazy fools
 

Rigsby

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all that hasstle eh john and were only just keeping the wolves from the door - really when you read into all the shizzle its baffling really what we have to do and how much we give for so little in return.


I was telling my sparky mate about all the criteria surrounding our game now and he said we must be crazy for the rates crazy crazy fools


Are we mad ? yes i think we are.
Yes we are crazy, so crazy I find it stupid!

Window fitters have Fensa, Gas have gas safe, sparkys have some trade organisation but us?

It is time renderers had an association.
 

Mickyboy

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If you boys are giving a guarantee what are you actually guaranteeing . As we all no weber and similar product do crack if there ia movement in the substrate. There's is also a problem with lime bloom in the winter month. So what does you guarantee actually cover ?
 

Rigsby

TPF Special Forces
You have to word it very carefully. My short version is for faults arising out of faulty workmanship. Lime bloom and some cracks are nothing to do with faulty workmanship. The long version is for the longer warranties but is well worded.

Offering a the manufacturers 10 year warranty is good as we all know they have excellent get out clauses. Weber even make their own up if it not already written down.
 

plasterjfe

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you offer a warranty on anything that cant go wrong and you cover anything that can go wrong in the small print by writing out of the warranty

Hope this helps






























:rolleyes)
 

Rigsby

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Does any body have a guarantee templet they are willing to share if so pm me
cheers

I will send you the one I use for the more expensive jobs mickyboy. PM me your email addy.



ps. had quite a few pm,s asking me for a copy. I will consider those with regular rendering posts and who have become private members.
 
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plasterjfe

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The guarantee was there to sway new builds to tie them in with the nhbc tick box everyrhing comes with 10 yrs on a new build so the render, oh ok yeah we will give a 10 year on that. On what? sand and cement with mineral from under the ground.

They are a good hook for the sales rep and thats about it. Its not a tv with working parts or electronics.

Anyway unless you get the ticket issued to the client from the manufacturer, its not warranted.

Best way forward is to do a top job insist on the proper spec, make sure substrate is stable. After all, cracks in pre bagged renders are never down to the render its always substrate issues or movement in most cases.

How many new builds in the uk from block get left to settle over months before rendered ? Answer is none so straight away there is a get out for the render manufacturers






www.jfe-rendersystems.co.uk
 

user_removed

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I give a 5 year guarantee, from myself as a small plastering and rendering business.

But I also have the customer sign Terms and conditions covering my own arse, before I start a job.

It does not cover movement, weathering or damage.

I mesh everything, double mesh on stress points, but always research the substrates and prep accordingly.

I will try and post some pics up of the few jobs I have done this year and would like some feedback from the experts on here.

Cheers, mac
 

plasterjfe

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it goes without saying that any reputable comany who is well established will return to rectify any defect that is down the the application. If a customer wants Mr cash by night they they must accept they will have no piont of call back.....

obviously movement weathering etc are beyond control. we always advise that good maintenance of gutters facias flashings etc are essential part of maintaining a good facade

we have all seen how leaky pipes destroy render
 

owls

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I give a 5 year guarantee, from myself as a small plastering and rendering business.

But I also have the customer sign Terms and conditions covering my own arse, before I start a job.

It does not cover movement, weathering or damage.

I mesh everything, double mesh on stress points, but always research the substrates and prep accordingly.

I will try and post some pics up of the few jobs I have done this year and would like some feedback from the experts on here.

Cheers, mac

youll be inundated, everyones an expert on here. :RpS_unsure:
 
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