mesh for embedding in multi finish

#1
Hi all - I posted this below in 'Introduce yourself' - maybe the wrong place, if it was, I am sorry.

I have read about EZE Mesh - 70gr/m2 on a couple of threads on here. It is just what I need to help to ensure the cracks from a variety of original backgrounds (circa 1885) are prevented (as far as possible) from appearing in the overskim which starts on Friday 18th May. Problem is, it is out of stock at Plasterers 1 Stop Shop for 3 weeks. Is there any other source it can be obtained from? Any help or guidance on sourcing the same or equivalent would be much appreciated. I need 2 no. 100 metre x 1 metre rolls.
Thanks in advance for any advice or guidance to source for this week.
 

t33ch

Active Member
#4
Hi all - .... It is just what I need to help to ensure the cracks from a variety of original backgrounds (circa 1885) are prevented (as far as possible) from appearing in the overskim ....
You could just use fibres in the multi. I've used it before when skimming over dubious L&P ceilings. Never had a callback. Use 100mm scrim over any obvious existing cracks.

Cheaper and faster.
 
#5
You could just use fibres in the multi. I've used it before when skimming over dubious L&P ceilings. Never had a callback. Use 100mm scrim over any obvious existing cracks.

Cheaper and faster.
Thanks for the advice t33ch. A friend contacted me this afternoon to say he had half a roll left in his garage. Collected it earlier this evening, so I have enough mesh to make a start on Friday. Will try to source more tomorrow.

I was involved in adding polypropylene fibres to ready mixed concrete for fine concrete screed toppings in the 80's and 90's when its use was in its infancy. It used to leave the face of the concrete 'hairy' sometimes but the 'sticking out' fibres soon wore/broke off under foot traffic.

When its used in plaster, what stops the odd ends of some fibres 'springing' out of the finished plaster, or do the fibres stay buried because of trowelling, so this just does not happen?

Its doing pretty much the same job as the horse hair in the areas of original plaster I guess.

Maybe I will use the fibres throughout but also use the mesh in addition on the worst areas. Belt and bracers!

Please could you recommend a type/name of fibres suitable for the typical thickness of a coat of multi finish?

Many thanks
 

t33ch

Active Member
#6
When its used in plaster, what stops the odd ends of some fibres 'springing' out of the finished plaster, or do the fibres stay buried because of trowelling, so this just does not happen?

Its doing pretty much the same job as the horse hair in the areas of original plaster I guess.

Please could you recommend a type/name of fibres suitable for the typical thickness of a coat of multi finish?

Many thanks
Use fibres in first coat, second will cover them. tbh I've used them in both and they tend to trowel down.
The company I used to get them off has stopped doing the fine PP ones but google fibrebind and you'll find them. Also search the forums as they have been discussed several times.

You'll probably find the first coat goes on thick (2-3mm) then just a thin second coat as normal.

I've used them in concrete too and just flame off any ones that do sick out if they're a problem.
 
#7
Thanks t33ch. Thats very helpful. I will do a bit of googling and try to find a local source.

I delved a bit last night, out of interest, about the difference between fibres meant for concrete and those for plaster and although I don't have a complete picture, it look like one of the major differences is the fibre length - 'long' for concrete/screed and 'short' for plaster.

Do you think that if the fibres were used everywhere it would make bedding in the fabric into the first coat in the really bad areas a bit difficult , or should I use no fibres in the first coat where the fabric is going to be used?

I was thinking that since the mesh has a nominal pitch of 5 mm and the fibres may range from 2 mm upwards, you would expect some fibres to pass though the mesh as it is bedded in, but some get 'trapped' against to mesh.

It would just make it simpler if the same mix, with fibres, could be used everywhere for the first coat, regardless of whether mesh was going on as well.

Thanks again t33ch
 

Wayners

Active Member
#8
There is that thin mesh you can buy that roofers use on fibre glass roofs. The silver type. it looks similar. Can buy easy at roof supplies however never tried it but did consider using some years back when I got the silly idea
 

RobJack

Well-Known Member
#9
You can call top ciment in Spain and order it there but a little closer to home goldtrowel in Essex might still stock it.
 
#10
Wickes sell fibres in bags £3.80 I use them all the time and they never stick out, throw half in your water and give a very good whisk before adding plaster. I use render mesh from selco the pink roll it does a good job for over skims too.
 
#11
Thanks to everyone that has posted great advice for me. I am very grateful to you.

I managed to locate a source of mesh reasonably locally, but it is by K rend instead - could not source the EZE Mesh locally, which I was originally trying to get .

Also found/collected fibres for plaster (2.2 mm) by TPD at Huws Grey in Hay on Wye - one of the few of their branches that stocks fibres for plaster for collection, rather than ordering for delivery- since needed it for Friday.

They did stock fibres by Groundworx, which is what I was intending to get, but only in the length for using in concrete.

I hope it all goes well :)

Thanks again to all who those helped me.
 
#12
Thanks for the advice t33ch. A friend contacted me this afternoon to say he had half a roll left in his garage. Collected it earlier this evening, so I have enough mesh to make a start on Friday. Will try to source more tomorrow.

I was involved in adding polypropylene fibres to ready mixed concrete for fine concrete screed toppings in the 80's and 90's when its use was in its infancy. It used to leave the face of the concrete 'hairy' sometimes but the 'sticking out' fibres soon wore/broke off under foot traffic.

When its used in plaster, what stops the odd ends of some fibres 'springing' out of the finished plaster, or do the fibres stay buried because of trowelling, so this just does not happen?

Its doing pretty much the same job as the horse hair in the areas of original plaster I guess.

Maybe I will use the fibres throughout but also use the mesh in addition on the worst areas. Belt and bracers!

Please could you recommend a type/name of fibres suitable for the typical thickness of a coat of multi finish?

Many thanks
Just get your razor on it that will shave the fibres off