COLUMNS - help needed

[spark2010]

I have completed my city and guilds training and I am currently in the middle of my assesments which started on Saturday past and will end this Sunday. I am having problems passing columns. I need to render it let it dry and
skim it... The problem is I need to line all 4 beads up. they have to be all square to each other and no more than 2mm top, middle and bottom apart. Its so hard, It has to be all square.
I was told today was no good and tomorrow morning have to start it all again...

Does anyone have any tips on these columns, any advice would be appreciated......

Thanks

p.s The column is about 470mm from bead to bead (when i attach them to the columnn)

 

[Chris W]

plumb one as a datum and work off it...
how are you fixing them?

 

[Gibbo]

you will need a grid line to work from or if you can get your hands on a laser line would make it easier

 

[barryed]

Agree with the laser line comment

 

[theblones]

Plumb the 2 beads diagnoly opposite then use them to measure off. it has to be square if you are using a tape measure. If you have to keep it square with a seperate object again use your tape

 

[plasterjfe]

dont think they will let him use a laser on an assessment he will need to use a level probably

 

[spunky]

tell them to f**k off and i want an extra 7 quid per metre to get it all square ...........and check the columns level before you start...............and stop pretending you know it all

 

[Gibbo]

it sounds like you are doing this in college and if so you could take measurements off adjacent walls which should be plumb and square and allowing for thickness and using a set square mark some lines around the column to work to and use a box rule to plumb your beads

 

[theblones]

thinking about it werent the collums actually pillars when we learnt our stuff. I thought he meant isolated collums, Use a square edge they probably made you one and you used it on holloween for a hat

 

[theblones]

Grand stop confusing him you shell suit wearing poofta. Use a tape you cant go wrong unless you get it wrong

 

[Gibbo]

dont think they will let him use a laser on an assessment he will need to use a level probably

i did this in college you can use any method you like although we didnt have lasers then

 

[Gibbo]

u aint gonna get it square using a tape

 

[beddy]

get yourself a frame square, a level and a tape. bed one bead in and work off it. the columns got to be levelish so its not as if you've got to build it out inches.

 

[spunky]

set two beads up next to eachother and use a large roofers square to plumb the rest cuntface

 

[Chris W]

u aint gonna get it square using a tape

i could get it bang on square using a tape.... and a straight edge... and a pencil.... and someone to hold the straight edge... :RpS_sleep:

 

[spark2010]

plumb one as a datum and work off it...
how are you fixing them?

I am fixing them with render (as its a course, its lime used instead of cement

 

[theblones]

if you measure the diagnols you will

 

[theblones]

if you measure the diagnols you will

Will You??

 

[spunky]

use dab adhesive and if they say anything drop the c**ts

 

[spark2010]

dont think they will let him use a laser on an assessment he will need to use a level probably

ya your right, no laser levels, just using a measuring tape, spirit level and square

 

[Chris W]

dont suppose you could set one plumb and leave it alone to go off then come back and set the others?
just get em somewhere near and tap em with the level..

 

[spark2010]

Plumb the 2 beads diagnoly opposite then use them to measure off. it has to be square if you are using a tape measure. If you have to keep it square with a seperate object again use your tape

thats interesting, diagonally? what u mean and how do i do that? i was told in training...

to bed one bead in, get level... then second then third... then get the measurments and adjust again until all are within 2mm maximum.
then get your square, set it against two beads and by eye the square should be in line with the third

 

[theblones]

are they attached to a wall so its 3 sides or seperate collumns that r 4 sides

 

[beddy]

use dab adhesive and if they say anything drop the c**ts

haha, i thought you only used that for external beads

 

[spark2010]

no its 4 sides, independant column!

 

[spark2010]

so basically no one has a clue....i dont feel so bad now

 

[spark2010]

by the way steve_cov, come on the celts!!! i waited to say that after you gave me your advice on the column !!!!!!

 

[flynnyman]

fit your first bead using your level then mark on the floor or ceiling or both using the square then work to this using your level at the same time to check.

 

[merlin]

flynny ,you should be a tutor

 

[spunky]

skim them and book it in for float and set ...bod taught me that one

 

[S a plastering]

draw a grid on the floor like grand says and get it square then plum up should be perfect

 

[flynnyman]

flynny ,you should be a tutor

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm a nice comment xxxxxxxxxxx

 

[merlin]

what if its a tamped concrete floor and suspended ceiling?

 

[spunky]

paint the column

 

[flynnyman]

what if its a tamped concrete floor and suspended ceiling?

makes no odds and cant see it being suspended in a plastering college but lets just say for arguments sake sharpen your pencil for the floor and mark the ceiling with a bit of chalk (this can be gained from the inside of a plasterboard) .