Advice Needed - Cowboy Plasterers

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The plasterers in question have skimmed over paper, any tradesman worth his salt would know that this is not the correct way to do things and would of told the customer the best options ie overboard or more time to remove paper . Anyone who says that they could not get the paper off so skimmed it anyway need to hand in there tools at the nearest police station imo. You seem to be focused on the finish problem rather than the rel issue of skimming over lining paper.
I know mate it's not something I would have or have done but the other plasterer surveyed it and said it's sound. I haven't seen it so don't know
 

beader

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Lol you know what I'm saying if it paints ok no problem....i definitely never said it was a good job just the blokes so should be given the opportunity to get paid
I don't care if it paints up like the
I know mate it's not something I would have or have done but the other plasterer surveyed it and said it's sound. I haven't seen it so don't know
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ChrispyUK

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One last question. How about cutting the board out to the nearest joist so that the plaster cove remains supported and then re-board it to there? I get the stop bead but might look naff given the cove probably isn’t perfectly straight and a stop bead would only expose this.

I can understand why the lads don't want to get involved due to the hassle.


Its true that m8y boy who did survey can't say for sure if bond is good or not and tbf, guild of master craftsmen is a load of bollox, just like the amount of rough arse fensa registered window fitters.

So unless, the new skim just drops off, and you strip paper off back to the original skim, (no guarantee that'll be sound though), then your only other option is to get your dec to fill and paint, or you go down reboarding route unfortunately as most on here take a lot of pride in their work and don't want the hassle and comeback so that is the only way.

There are a lot of these threads, and a lot of chancer customers,so I wouldn't usually get involved, but I think you're a genuine guy who paid a very fair price and was let down by a couple of chancers. Think you said that the decs original guy he recommended passed the job on, perhaps he was busy, or your DEC is now back pedalling.
Either way, were they told about how much they were getting beforehand?
If so, then they prob were told that its a nice easy number, bit of paper to get off, but a nice little earner, done in half a day etc, to be confronted with welded on paper.
Paper is a PITA, I get the customer to strip, or stripping is on a day rate. It can be a nightmare.

Anyway, I've got a wedding to attend.
Good luck.
 

lurpak

Artex Boy
Can’t waste anymore corn on this thread so wrap it up plz.


The more I read the more I think the spread sneakily tried to skim the paper but got clocked.

As said, even if finish was bang on he’s still rough as f**k to do that. Rough doesn’t just mean the finish.
 

Cockney1

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Lol you know what I'm saying if it paints ok no problem....i definitely never said it was a good job just the blokes so should be given the opportunity to get paid
The blokes wouldn’t need an opportunity to get paid if they would have done it correctly in the first place! Ffs come on mate!
It’s these dickheads doing shitty stupid things like this that are giving plastering a bad light.
 
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The blokes wouldn’t need an opportunity to get paid if they would have done it correctly in the first place! Ffs come on mate!
It’s these dickheads doing shitty stupid things like this that are giving plastering a bad light.
Totally agree with you mate, should have been boarded and done right in the first instance, think I probably not made my point very well
 

MattP1987

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Wouldn’t bother trying to strip paper from plaster board as will take chunks out of it. Might be bonded well now, how a survey can say how well bonded is silly especially over paper which diceintergrates with time and also when gets wet. next layer of skim at least another 25kg of weight! I wouldn’t want that above a 7k floor!!!

Solution.
9.5mm plasterboard overboard with stop/perminiter bead around the edge! Then skim. Piece of mind that ceiling won’t fall down and you keep your cornice.
If ceiling is plasterboarded it is very easy to find joists.
 

zombie

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One last question. How about cutting the board out to the nearest joist so that the plaster cove remains supported and then re-board it to there? I get the stop bead but might look naff given the cove probably isn’t perfectly straight and a stop bead would only expose this.

Yes that would work but would need to put in timbers around couple of edges depending on where joist are etc but yes doable
 

Removed_User

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Bottom line. Shocking work, but at the same time, this guy can afford 7 grand flooring so overboard and skim would have been nothing for this tightwad,

Also a plasterer that says it's fine to skim over lining-paper is not a plasterer

And to say we're having a pop at one of our own is irrelevant, cos we don't know the guy at all and we don't know what game he is playing.
 

Smudger1

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I'd board over with stop beads as mentioned, if that's a problem and you've got to save old coving, check for pipes and cables use multi tool to cut around face edge of coving which should be well stuck to wall and remaining ceiling and rip rest down and fit noggin, reboard n skim.
 

Vincey

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Wilkinson sell brilliant razor sharp wall paper scrapers that’s what I use ,

Could scrape the lot off quite easily with that then use unifinish to save a bit of time on the reskim
 

Mouldyoldspudgun

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You are screwing him if you won't let him rectify...it's not even painted I think everyone's mad, can't judge till painted
I have to disagree with you on that point, you can judge before it’s painted, a plasterer knows when his work is not up to standard or he should do, the paint just shows any misses or cats faces as you call them for the decorator to see and fill, he is not there to cover up s**t plastering. I realise this doesn’t affect you because you paint your own work but these blokes dont
 

Removed_User

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I have to disagree with you on that point, you can judge before it’s painted, a plasterer knows when his work is not up to standard or he should do, the paint just shows any misses or cats faces as you call them for the decorator to see and fill, he is not there to cover up s**t plastering. I realise this doesn’t affect you because you paint your own work but these blokes dont
Anyone who advocates the work left by that guy needs to hand in their tools.
 

Mouldyoldspudgun

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Out of interest, is it a specialist skill to fit cornice? Boarding and fitting a new plaster cornice might be the best option.
It’s not particularly specialist to fix the cornice but the making good is though if you know how it’s not, on a plain face cornice which is what you have,if that makes sense
 

Mouldyoldspudgun

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My internal walls are all solid brick and concrete. It was a high end property when it was built with Crittal windows, wood strip floors etc...
Don’t think just because you have no lath and plaster you have a high end build, I have worked on old mansions where they hid all the plumbing to bathrooms behind lath and plaster, the funny thing is apart from the fact they were lead people would pay a fortune to have them on display they were hand made and just as ornate as some plaster work just a shame they were lead even though they were waste pipes wouldn’t be allowed now
 
Here’s a few mor pics including what the paper was, which they did remove from the hall.

I think a bead 1nich off the edge of the coving and overboard is the cleanest, quickest and easiest way. So annoyed these T***s have ruined the ceiling though. If they told me they needed an extra day, I wouldn’t have cared.
 

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Removed_User

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Here’s a few mor pics including what the paper was, which they did remove from the hall.

I think a bead 1nich off the edge of the coving and overboard is the cleanest, quickest and easiest way. So annoyed these T***s have ruined the ceiling though. If they told me they needed an extra day, I wouldn’t have cared.
Mate ...option 2. We don't need more pics.
 

Gurva

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Here’s a few mor pics including what the paper was, which they did remove from the hall.

I think a bead 1nich off the edge of the coving and overboard is the cleanest, quickest and easiest way. So annoyed these T***s have ruined the ceiling though. If they told me they needed an extra day, I wouldn’t have cared.
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stuart23

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Here’s a few mor pics including what the paper was, which they did remove from the hall.

I think a bead 1nich off the edge of the coving and overboard is the cleanest, quickest and easiest way. So annoyed these T***s have ruined the ceiling though. If they told me they needed an extra day, I wouldn’t have cared.
Definitely not the worst finish I’ve ever seen. The survey guy said it was bonded and he also said extra work for the decorator to get a good finish so I would get original plasterer to sand and fill and pay him when it’s all painted and your happy with it but get something in writing on headed paper saying should the paper fail then he is reliable for it. Remember plasterboard is paper and that holds up well. While it’s not ideal I’m a firm believer in allowing someone to rectify any mistakes made.
 
Definitely not the worst finish I’ve ever seen. The survey guy said it was bonded and he also said extra work for the decorator to get a good finish so I would get original plasterer to sand and fill and pay him when it’s all painted and your happy with it but get something in writing on headed paper saying should the paper fail then he is reliable for it. Remember plasterboard is paper and that holds up well. While it’s not ideal I’m a firm believer in allowing someone to rectify any mistakes made.

As others have said, it’s not about the finish, which is still poor. To say they couldn’t get the paper off a previously plastered ceiling, when the didn’t even bother to turn their steamer on and they managed to strip the paper in the hallway which was the exact same stuff, done at the same time on to the same surface, in 30 minutes with a spong and scrapper, suggests that is completely BS. Only one of the guys was skimming and did none of the stepping. Perhaps he thought he was too good for that and as there would only be one person stripping, they decided they didn’t have time to get it done. I wish I knew what I know now and I would have told them to get the fock out my house when I saw them skimming on the paper. I had too much faith that they were good guys, being paid well to do a good job. A lot of lessons learnt for me there.

Doesn’t the paper on plasterboard allow the plaster to seep through and bond with the plaster in the board? That’s is different to plastering onto paint that is attached to paper that’s glued with water soluble paint to a plaster skim. There are too many points of possible failure in that scenario.

The survey said extra work was needed in the hallway, but that the living room was unsuitable for decoration.

I’m going to have the ceiling taken down now and put back up. If there is anything left out of the £640 fee that he was charging me, I’ll give him that for the semi OK job done in the hallway. Although with all this inconvenience, stress and time lost, I feel even this is being too generous.
 

Gurva

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As others have said, it’s not about the finish, which is still poor. To say they couldn’t get the paper off a previously plastered ceiling, when the didn’t even bother to turn their steamer on and they managed to strip the paper in the hallway which was the exact same stuff, done at the same time on to the same surface, in 30 minutes with a spong and scrapper, suggests that is completely BS. Only one of the guys was skimming and did none of the stepping. Perhaps he thought he was too good for that and as there would only be one person stripping, they decided they didn’t have time to get it done. I wish I knew what I know now and I would have told them to get the fock out my house when I saw them skimming on the paper. I had too much faith that they were good guys, being paid well to do a good job. A lot of lessons learnt for me there.

Doesn’t the paper on plasterboard allow the plaster to seep through and bond with the plaster in the board? That’s is different to plastering onto paint that is attached to paper that’s glued with water soluble paint to a plaster skim. There are too many points of possible failure in that scenario.

The survey said extra work was needed in the hallway, but that the living room was unsuitable for decoration.

I’m going to have the ceiling taken down now and put back up. If there is anything left out of the £640 fee that he was charging me, I’ll give him that for the semi OK job done in the hallway. Although with all this inconvenience, stress and time lost, I feel even this is being too generous.
Cest la vie:frenetico:
 

zombie

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As others have said, it’s not about the finish, which is still poor. To say they couldn’t get the paper off a previously plastered ceiling, when the didn’t even bother to turn their steamer on and they managed to strip the paper in the hallway which was the exact same stuff, done at the same time on to the same surface, in 30 minutes with a spong and scrapper, suggests that is completely BS. Only one of the guys was skimming and did none of the stepping. Perhaps he thought he was too good for that and as there would only be one person stripping, they decided they didn’t have time to get it done. I wish I knew what I know now and I would have told them to get the fock out my house when I saw them skimming on the paper. I had too much faith that they were good guys, being paid well to do a good job. A lot of lessons learnt for me there.

Doesn’t the paper on plasterboard allow the plaster to seep through and bond with the plaster in the board? That’s is different to plastering onto paint that is attached to paper that’s glued with water soluble paint to a plaster skim. There are too many points of possible failure in that scenario.

The survey said extra work was needed in the hallway, but that the living room was unsuitable for decoration.

I’m going to have the ceiling taken down now and put back up. If there is anything left out of the £640 fee that he was charging me, I’ll give him that for the semi OK job done in the hallway. Although with all this inconvenience, stress and time lost, I feel even this is being too generous.

I agree 100% there chancers period!
 
Guys, I just want to say thanks for the input you’ve given. I’ve learnt a lot about plastering in the past few days and won’t let anyone try to mug me off like this again.

I feel a little sorry for your trade though. It clearly takes years to get the skills and experience to be a quality plasterer, yet anyone who’s done a weeks course can rock up and call themselves a plasterer. It’s not like carpentry, plumbing, electrics etc, where you need extensive amounts of knowledge and certs to do certain jobs. Anyone can mix and spread plaster on a wall, but clearly not all can do it well. Best of luck to you good ones out there!

Thanks.
 

Removed_User

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Guys, I just want to say thanks for the input you’ve given. I’ve learnt a lot about plastering in the past few days and won’t let anyone try to mug me off like this again.

I feel a little sorry for your trade though. It clearly takes years to get the skills and experience to be a quality plasterer, yet anyone who’s done a weeks course can rock up and call themselves a plasterer. It’s not like carpentry, plumbing, electrics etc, where you need extensive amounts of knowledge and certs to do certain jobs. Anyone can mix and spread plaster on a wall, but clearly not all can do it well. Best of luck to you good ones out there!

Thanks.
Not everyone can mix.
I couldn't mix back then, that's also a skill in itself, getting a good, consistent mix for the moaning bastards who want to get it on quick.
 

lurpak

Artex Boy
Guys, I just want to say thanks for the input you’ve given. I’ve learnt a lot about plastering in the past few days and won’t let anyone try to mug me off like this again.

I feel a little sorry for your trade though. It clearly takes years to get the skills and experience to be a quality plasterer, yet anyone who’s done a weeks course can rock up and call themselves a plasterer. It’s not like carpentry, plumbing, electrics etc, where you need extensive amounts of knowledge and certs to do certain jobs. Anyone can mix and spread plaster on a wall, but clearly not all can do it well. Best of luck to you good ones out there!

Thanks.

Those plonkers keep us busy and educate customers that there’s reason the proper plasterers cost what they cost x

FYI - theres probably far more dodgy plumbers n sparks who aren’t registered going around fitting bathrooms etc
 

lurpak

Artex Boy
Guys, I just want to say thanks for the input you’ve given. I’ve learnt a lot about plastering in the past few days and won’t let anyone try to mug me off like this again.

I feel a little sorry for your trade though. It clearly takes years to get the skills and experience to be a quality plasterer, yet anyone who’s done a weeks course can rock up and call themselves a plasterer. It’s not like carpentry, plumbing, electrics etc, where you need extensive amounts of knowledge and certs to do certain jobs. Anyone can mix and spread plaster on a wall, but clearly not all can do it well. Best of luck to you good ones out there!

Thanks.

Ouch. That back handed compliment lol
 
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