1930's rough cast.

[Deleted member 23452]

The patient is a 1930's semi detached house which has original rough cast render that's past it's best. Loose patches, old repairs, layers of flaky paint etc. There are no large areas as the lower half of the gable wall has a garage linked to next door. The bay window store riser at the front is tiled, and the area below the ground floor window is exposed brick. I'm sure you've all seen many similar properties.

Leaving out EWI and cost considerations, what would you do with the render if it was your own house?

Options I can think of currently are:-
1) Have the lot off and replace it with new rough cast.
2) Replace it with smooth sand/cement/lime render and paint it.
3) Expose the brickwork and point it nicely.
4) Cedar cladding to the first floor and point the brickwork on the ground floor.
5) Something else?

It needs to look smart, not look odd on the age/style of house, and last well.

Not keen on the current silicone/acrylic renders as they seem to go manky looking after ten years or so and need painting anyway which sort of defeats the object as far as I can see?

 

[malc]

cut off old render. render in sand cement and lime, float finish and decorate.
if you do not want to decorate again render with a durite or spar finish.
brickwork will be flettons maybe keyed flettons so repointing is a no.
cedar cladding is all maintenance.
as for acrylic renders, it is known locally as old s**t and that does describe it.

 

[superspread]

Hack off and re do the same as original , that's how the house was built . Obviously I don't know what the neighbouring properties are finished in , I'm assuming the same , will look odd if you've got smooth render or the modern renders

 

[Deleted member 23452]

Should have mentioned that it's in Birmingham. So no flettons, just local red clay bricks above the white pointed blues. They also didn't go in much for lime here in the '30s, there are some, but most of the mortar used round here is the local soft sand. Handy for pointing or hacking off, not much use for standing the test of time.

 

[Deleted member 23452]

Hack off and re do the same as original , that's how the house was built . Obviously I don't know what the neighbouring properties are finished in , I'm assuming the same , will look odd if you've got smooth render or the modern renders

They're all rough cast, I don't mind it standing out as long as it does so because it looks better. I can't think of a worse looking finish than rough cast to be honest. Even new it looks w4nk.

 

[owls]

The patient is a 1930's semi detached house which has original rough cast render that's past it's best. Loose patches, old repairs, layers of flaky paint etc. There are no large areas as the lower half of the gable wall has a garage linked to next door. The bay window store riser at the front is tiled, and the area below the ground floor window is exposed brick. I'm sure you've all seen many similar properties.

Leaving out EWI and cost considerations, what would you do with the render if it was your own house?

Options I can think of currently are:-
1) Have the lot off and replace it with new rough cast.
2) Replace it with smooth sand/cement/lime render and paint it.
3) Expose the brickwork and point it nicely.
4) Cedar cladding to the first floor and point the brickwork on the ground floor.
5) Something else?

It needs to look smart, not look odd on the age/style of house, and last well.

Not keen on the current silicone/acrylic renders as they seem to go manky looking after ten years or so and need painting anyway which sort of defeats the object as far as I can see?

Not sure what you mean by silicone, do you mean a through coloured cementous render? If so it won't fade if its sealed on completion and acrylics are paint based so don't break down under uv or pick up dirt over the years.

 

[Deleted member 23452]

All the acrylic rendered houses I've seen that are 10+ years old have picked up dirt and faded. There's an estate full of them near the last job I did and the only ones that looked OK were those that had been recently overpainted. @Olican or @Nisus could tell you what it was. Mono something? Either way, it looked pants and the houses were built and rendered between 1999 and 2003.

The odd house I've worked on or near that have it on have all gone the same way once they get into the 10 - 12 year bracket.

 

[CTPlastering]

Could all be down to the make of the acrylic ?

 

[Deleted member 23452]

Possibly, I have no idea what it is. Oli and Lee knew.

 

[owls]

I think your getting confused between acrylic renders and mono renders etc to be honest, an acrylic render is a bucket render, mono renders are cementous and some makes do stain, green etc over time but if you seal as I said its not an issue.

 

[Deleted member 23452]

an acrylic render is a bucket render,

This was definitely on a wall not a bucket.

I really don't know a great deal about the various renders available as I don't get involved with it beyond a 'make it flat' request. Oli or Lee will no doubt pop up with the right name for it.

 

[superspread]

All the acrylic rendered houses I've seen that are 10+ years old have picked up dirt and faded. There's an estate full of them near the last job I did and the only ones that looked OK were those that had been recently overpainted. @Olican or @Nisus could tell you what it was. Mono something? Either way, it looked pants and the houses were built and rendered between 1999 and 2003.

The odd house I've worked on or near that have it on have all gone the same way once they get into the 10 - 12 year bracket.

You don't like rough cast , you don't like modern renders , I think uve answered your own question

 

[Deleted member 23452]

You don't like rough cast , you don't like modern renders , I think uve answered your own question

Not unless I missed the bit where I described what other options are available? Sand cement and lime smooth render or pointed brickwork are favourite from what I know of, but I thought maybe asking on a rendering forum there may be some finishes or materials I was unaware of.

 

[user__removed]

Do you think you will get away with repointing after hacking off? I very much doubt it mate, that leaves you one option I think. Have you seen machine applied roughcast? I think it looks better than traditional roughcast.

 

[superspread]

Not unless I missed the bit where I described what other options are available? Sand cement and lime smooth render or pointed brickwork are favourite from what I know of, but I thought maybe asking on a rendering forum there may be some finishes or materials I was unaware of.

You will be lucky to save the brickwork after hacking that off (u maybe lucky )
That leaves smooth rendered finish

 

[bobspread]

All the acrylic rendered houses I've seen that are 10+ years old have picked up dirt and faded. There's an estate full of them near the last job I did and the only ones that looked OK were those that had been recently overpainted. @Olican or @Nisus could tell you what it was. Mono something? Either way, it looked pants and the houses were built and rendered between 1999 and 2003.

The odd house I've worked on or near that have it on have all gone the same way once they get into the 10 - 12 year bracket.

you're right about the bucket renders,silocone and acrylic the do eventually discolour especially if they're on a main road they become dirty and i've seen a lot of mono renders stained green,i think JFE said there's no such thing as a maintenance free render

 

[Olican]

This was definitely on a wall not a bucket.

I really don't know a great deal about the various renders available as I don't get involved with it beyond a 'make it flat' request. Oli or Lee will no doubt pop up with the right name for it.

My marra reckoned it was monorex, whatever it was it was very poorly applied