Needed a spare part
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Dansouthcoast84
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is the wedding on box office then? lolFor the EZE...just a piece of metal nothing more.
I think I'm paying for everyones time off to watch the royal wedding
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CeeVee
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Might as bloody well be
CeeVee
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Its ridiculous. And then like you say we have to compete against the handballers
Dansouthcoast84
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just wanna say thanks for paying for me to watch the wedding today.....most kind of you...For the EZE...just a piece of metal nothing more.
I think I'm paying for everyones time off to watch the royal wedding
£225
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Plasterers1StopShop
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For the EZE...just a piece of metal nothing more.
I think I'm paying for everyones time off to watch the royal wedding
£225
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It is pricey, but we don't set the prices. Obviously, we need to buy these parts also.
But, how long have you had the machine? How many m2 has the machine done? How many times has this been changed? How much has it made you..
CeeVee
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Not having a go Ryan just having a grumble.
These things always tend to hit when you least need it
Plasterers1StopShop
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Rigsby
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It seems to be the obvious way forward the machine side of rendering and posts on here and FB paint a glossy picture. But they are machines and they wear out or go faulty.
When you change your market and rely on this new technology for a living, it is daunting when they break down and stops you earning. My Ritmo gives me the runs just prior to turning it on. Had it for 4 years and a 3 phrase before that. But one breakdown in 3 jobs is about average. Not always the machines fault, a lot of human error, most on the labs side, like letting the water barrel run out of water or inadequate cleaning out like the air lines, the water inlet hole, the manometer piston. But labs are thick and little things like above, they can’t see the point.
But go back to the old Belle Honda engined mixer, thats as technical as it got. Just slave labour. But what we have now is technical and for some its too much to take in. Also the high costs. Its not only the purchase price its the ongoing maintenance. Mixing shaft lasts about a year, the little knob what the rotar sits on wears out, dont keep the manometer piston clean thats £200, the soft rotar and stator wears out fast, thats £1 plus to pump every bag.
But how many adds this cost into the job? Its a competitive market and these costs plus the original capital outlay needs recovering. If you don’t then it’s out of your take home pay.
When you change your market and rely on this new technology for a living, it is daunting when they break down and stops you earning. My Ritmo gives me the runs just prior to turning it on. Had it for 4 years and a 3 phrase before that. But one breakdown in 3 jobs is about average. Not always the machines fault, a lot of human error, most on the labs side, like letting the water barrel run out of water or inadequate cleaning out like the air lines, the water inlet hole, the manometer piston. But labs are thick and little things like above, they can’t see the point.
But go back to the old Belle Honda engined mixer, thats as technical as it got. Just slave labour. But what we have now is technical and for some its too much to take in. Also the high costs. Its not only the purchase price its the ongoing maintenance. Mixing shaft lasts about a year, the little knob what the rotar sits on wears out, dont keep the manometer piston clean thats £200, the soft rotar and stator wears out fast, thats £1 plus to pump every bag.
But how many adds this cost into the job? Its a competitive market and these costs plus the original capital outlay needs recovering. If you don’t then it’s out of your take home pay.
zolco
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I see what you saying, but on the other hand would an extra man put on 60sqm consistently for you for 200/day plus paperwork and agro with the subbie?
It's small beer for parts in the scheme of things, I've 2 machines using every day in this weather, you've just got to factor parts in your overheads.
Everyone else is in the same boat paying for parts as will any competitors.
the same with running 2 new vans, a yard, insurances, buying other power tools, covering employee nat insurances,pension cont for them, shite weather days. The overheads just to stand still in the render game are frightening before I take a penny for myself.
Everyone else is in the same boat paying for parts as will any competitors.
the same with running 2 new vans, a yard, insurances, buying other power tools, covering employee nat insurances,pension cont for them, shite weather days. The overheads just to stand still in the render game are frightening before I take a penny for myself.
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theclemo
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Rigsby
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Thats why I am stepping down from being an employer. Too many so called renderers who are under skilled, under tooled and according to the records, not in the best of health. Going back to basics. Labour only subbing.
We're lucky I don't need to go out touting for work, I work mainly for a handful of developers that keep us busy 80% of the time, with the other 20% on the odd domestics thrown in.certain developers/builders stick with us as they can rely on us to carry out projects to the high standard, for instance we're working on a 2 million new build in harrogate at the moment at that level they just want the quality, so they'll pay us and stick there 15% on top for there selves, that's a good builder they project manage and are not on the tools, they make there money through organising and not cuting corners and saving a few quid.
It helps having a huge back portfolio as any domestic punter can see our previous projects for themselves, we win most I look at, aswell as trying to be a good salesman as you would if you were selling a kitchen or new windows a re render is similar money.
It helps having a huge back portfolio as any domestic punter can see our previous projects for themselves, we win most I look at, aswell as trying to be a good salesman as you would if you were selling a kitchen or new windows a re render is similar money.
Machines are worth every penny, even if it saves gyp on your body, I still remember mixing up k rend and sto nearly 20 years ago for a render gang and the toll it took on my body mixing and lugging up scaffold in the summer, then moving onto the trowel and it equally being hard graft.
Olican
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There are two companies in our area that monopolise the spray render sector, one of them was one of the very first approved applicator of krend . There are very few small firms spraying render in our area. I've often wondered what the margins are in running a machine as a small or 2/3 man crew. If after all taxes etc it was 30k-40k per annum then personally I wouldn't be tempted by it.
Rigsby
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Like on mono? I wouldn’t do it by hand, just give it a miss and let someone else do it. Done my first by hand and never again!
But on dashing we was a good team with a good labourer. None of this full beading up and masking up. Yes it was hand balling but the belle mixer never let me down. That same lab can only bag up, not got a clue on reading gauges, cannot turn water up or down. He is a casual now.
I prefer ocr with a mineral finish, mono is a pain.
Rigsby
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Mine is a lot less than that. I do factor in costs. But how many do you quote for and they never have the job done?
Rigsby
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I had a bad time in the 80’s working for builders so since 89 been domestics only. But recently we have been drifting back into doing builders work and apart from dodgy scaffolding it been better. Had a builder stop me 20% in December though and can’t get a payment statement off him.
Done one two weeks ago and he is ‘I pay when they pay me’ merchant. Shan’t be working for either again. Top quality work and on time. Let them find some other idiot.
Have you been In Touch with hmrc over it ? That would be my next call.
Plenty of idiots about that will work for daft money or daft conditions,leave them to it, any one can be a busy fool.
CeeVee
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If you cant get a payment statement then he ain't paid it...like owls said get in touch with HMRC.
You still doing owt for Max?
He blew us out by the looks of it. Gone real cheap. Used to be quality.
vfr12
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You don’t have to rigsby. If he paid you bacs , she should have deducted 20% and if he hasn’t...... that’s his problem . Your accountant will register it as -20% payment and his accountant too. End of the year you claim the tax back.