breathable Monocouche render
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Dgplastering
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Lol tell the client it's a rendered finish but the finish shouldn't matter if you spin the performance yarn
Bauwer
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Hi Mate, we offer 25 years manufacturer warranty.
Bauwer insulation materials are extremely robust being inorganic in its composition. When applying Bauwer Light use key coat, recommended finish, wet the substrate before application in order to avoid quick drying of Bauwer Light. Apply Bauwer over solid stone or brick walls, do not apply over wood, boards or heterogeneous substrates, use only over solid substrates.
For Vimark range no difference really vs best renders available on the market in application practises and quality. Vimark range was manufactures and improved over 35 years and extremely popular in France and Italy mate with 25 years manufacturer warranty.
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Bauwer
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Rasolite could be applied over painted but solid substrate. Being permeable it is very popular for older buildings renovation were insulation was not specified. It is one layer system with off white natural lime colour. Could be used both internally and externally.
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Orangemachineman
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I'm talking about giving the warranties to customers with paperwork
I can offer with with others so it'll make a difference if I use it
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Bauwer
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Sure mate, we offer paperwork as well. Also about 3,800 tons of Mono with coverage of about 200.000 sqm were installed in France and Italy with virtually no issues. Most of installations were in France, about 80% to 85% and about 15% in Italy. About 1,900 tons of Arenino, white and coloured, with coverage of about 630.000 sqm. were installed again trouble free, with most of the volume installed in France.
From my experience with other materials, vast majority of the defects are due to failure to follow method statement or using a right material in the wrong application or similar. It is extremely rare case in the industry when defect is due to actually defective material being manufactured and supplied mate. Vimark S.r.l. materials are more than 35 years on the market and it is a very respected manufacturer mate.
Orangemachineman
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Thanks for the stats!!
The point I'm trying to make is let's say I do a parex scratch render job.they will write up a guarantee to the client/builder
As will say pro rend.
I'm happy using parex so if I'm going to try another this is what I'm looking for
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duke163
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Have you ever had to use the guarantee they give mate and if so were they good for it ? Cheers
theclemo
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Orangemachineman
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A lot of its to do with new build warranties needed for the labc sign off
I know it's a load of bollox but It's keeping us busy!!
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duke163
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I've got a job to quote which is on a house that was originally chalk cob and solid red brick but has been extended several times and all has been sand and cement rendered late 90's. The people have baulked at the price given by specialist lime company and are looking for a modern alternative. It's just up the road and probably a months work so don't want to pass it up. But don't think I could give any guarantee
keithuk
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I have done thousands of new builds ? Never been asked ? Must be your area
Orangemachineman
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f**k knows keith
''Tis more the timber frame builds receiving a board and thin coat mind
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Bauwer
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Sure, written guarantee is an advantage which helps dealing with the clients.
We are happy to issue a warranty on our material supplied as well.
In central Europe Bauwer is issuing 25 years installation + material warranty on about 40% of installations they are doing with their own installation teams. They are happy to do it, as they can ensure that installation process is done religiously according to the method statement.
Vimark S.r.l. providing insurance for their designs and specifications.
I also looked at what is available on the market:
Parex: "in the first instance it has be established what has caused the failure and where the liability lies and this may take some time to establish." Clearly in vast majority of the cases it would be installation inconsistency, not sure what would happen in this case.
"Parex’s insurance cover is offered from Day One of the scheme but does have a 6 months defect liability period where the builder must put right faulty workmanship found during or after inspection." Not sure what happens after 6 months.
http://www.parex.co.uk/GetFile.ashx?file_id=690
SAS: 10 year product guarantee. Not sure what happens in the case of faulty installation.
We are happy to provide 25 years on our materials mate, and replace any faulty material supplied free of charge mate. Both for Vimark and Bauwer ranges mate.
Bauwer
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We never give a " guarantee " not worth the paper it is on IMOP , but doing it as long as i have ,i dont f**k up to need it
If there is any issue for guarantee underwriter to consider, I'd suggest there could be about three to four reasons to blame: faulty materials, application outside method statement, anti-social behavior damaging the installation or a hurricane. Might be more reasons I've missed.
They learned to manufacture cars with about 5,000 to 10,00o components to work well together without quality issues for years.....with renders it less then 20 components....you would need to be a genius to fail it....at the end it depends on sourcing of the raw materials. For example Parex is great as they use French sand, yet local renders as ...-Rend are less appealing, as they use local sand which is not of that great quality unfortunately. The bottom line is it is a very rear case for render to be defective as it is.
As I mentioned above, we are happy to take all responsibility for material quality, and issue a written guarantee as well. I believe SAS as I remember make the contractor also responsible for all other costs other than the materials. Think SPS Envirowall does the same.
Bauwer
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I spoke to Labs and they asked for about £5K, if I am not mistaken, for about one hour time worth of paperwork. I've considered doing that, but it would mean I would sell Mono for let say £9 per bag vs £8 today. Not sure it is a good investment to be honest.
Curry
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If the specs not been followed and the system has failed due to bad installation then all liability is on the contractor who did the work
Bauwer
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Hi Mate, Vimark S.r.l supplies about 300 different types of renders plasters for more than 35 years across Central and Western Europe. Clearly we could define a right specification, right quality cost efficient material and we could recommend the right application method which would work well for the decades? We'll provide material insurance as well mate. It can not be that difficult to make the customer happy mate?
duke163
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Hi mate , I'm just waiting for your reply to my latest email regarding possible colour variations due to the different substrates and thicknesses required on this job . Cheers Luke
Bauwer
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Sure mate, I'll get back to you quickly on this.
Bauwer
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Please PM me in order to claim your 2 free tickets for Homebuilding and Renovating Show at NEC Birmingham, March 23-26. Our stand is F229 we'll be presenting our award wining Vimark range of renders as well as Bauwer thermal renovation render for older buildings insulation.
Bauwer
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Render carrier boards:
Following several enquires this is to confirm that Rasolite, with mesh in it, is designed to be applied over render carrier boards, including knauf aquapanel as a base coat. Rasolite could be finsihed with Arenino thin coat in order to achieve nice looking finish.
Rasolite is 5.5m2@3mm at £10 per bag and white Arenino is 8m2@3mm at £14 per bag.
Following several enquires this is to confirm that Rasolite, with mesh in it, is designed to be applied over render carrier boards, including knauf aquapanel as a base coat. Rasolite could be finsihed with Arenino thin coat in order to achieve nice looking finish.
Rasolite is 5.5m2@3mm at £10 per bag and white Arenino is 8m2@3mm at £14 per bag.
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FreeD
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@Bauwer
We need to know the facts about your products, it seems that sometimes you beat around the bush giving responses to questions a politician would be proud of. We d0n't need to know how many meters etc have been applied world wide etc...
Do you offer warranties with your products...yes or no simple...if so provide details.
It's great that you are being so active on the forums but I feel your time would be much better spent working on providing better technical data about your products and pictures of the different finishes on your website.
We need to know the facts about your products, it seems that sometimes you beat around the bush giving responses to questions a politician would be proud of. We d0n't need to know how many meters etc have been applied world wide etc...
Do you offer warranties with your products...yes or no simple...if so provide details.
It's great that you are being so active on the forums but I feel your time would be much better spent working on providing better technical data about your products and pictures of the different finishes on your website.
Orangemachineman
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To be fair, if hes not from a rendering back ground he will need to clarify everything with his technical team and go to them before clarifying on here wont he, as if theres any discrepancy with it after its published on here, he'll be held to account.
when I did a bit for Parex the amount of different stuff youd get thrown at you, and that was me an experienced render who used a lot of there gear.
Naaaaaaaa to be honest I let 90% go, it's just far to easy.I'm sure he sits at that computer waiting all day to strike
