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Bullshizzle

you can give someone all the information in the world... but doesnt mean they can do it

Disagree I'm afraid me old fruit, you can read a hundred cook books but you will never cook as well as a classically trained chef. A good plasterer not only needs knowledge but miles on the trowel.

Plastering is like the film the matrix!! Until you become at one with the trowel you will keep getting your ass kicked!! i know what i mean!!:RpS_lol:

Tbh there is tons of info out there,thanks to the internet.. loads of forums. Diy not,screwfix forum etc .you tube tutorial vids......lol

now weather that info is right or wrong is a very different thing? Some of the.."tips" and advice ive read on here and elsewhere are a load of shitte Imo...( not the beading 45degree corner thread tho) top advice there lol.if you aint got a clue and some experience then you wouldnt know what to believe...as oli says just because youve read it doesnt mean you can do it.:RpS_thumbup:

Rossi46 said:

Years ago a trade was respected for many ways. Not only for the fact that it was a skilled job but more so that it was a hard earned respected profession.

Long story short and a few years down the line the Plastering trade has become a less respected and well, common job. Skills that were only kept among plasterers are now shared amonst millions via a well known forum. The little tricks of the trade that would keep a small family plastering firm ahead of the rest are now common knowledge.

Is the fact that all of the trade secrets are now well...not really that secret.. a bad thing and has it left us all wide open to a free market were the chancers/immigrants and wannabe's are on a, enthusiasm based, level playing field.

Are we hanging ourselves by sharing so much information on the forum?!

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hi rossi
out of curiosity have you given advice on the forum or asked for advice and support regarding a job you were not 100% sure of:RpS_sneaky::RpS_lol:

in an ideal world all trades would be at least a 3 year apprenticeship, this would keep a lot of the dead wood out and keep the rates of pay at a relatively high level so keeping all trades respected professions,..... but its a totally different world now, and the internet really is a marvellous tool , anybody can learn about anything , and its here to stay,..... and rightly or wrongly this is the way its going now and will continue this way, but as with a lot of things its one thing reading about it and then putting that into practice weather its plastering, car mechanics cooking etc,.......

Been said before you can't learn Plastering out of a book unlike electrics and plumbing also Rossi don't you think they have plasterers in other countries?

flynnyman said:

Been said before you can't learn Plastering out of a book unlike electrics and plumbing also Rossi don't you think they have plasterers in other countries?

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Are you talking about Scotland?

you can always use the comparison to cooking when it comes to plastering. Someone can tell you or show you how to use flour eggs water and you will be able to bake a cake, this doesnt mean you will be a master baker after a few bakes. It takes years of repetitive use to gain that familiarity with the ingredients to understand their basic principals. I have massive respect for the likes of @plasterjfe @Rigsby and too many others to mention for their shared input on here. A lot of renderers I've seen on site rush to slap it on the wall not really caring if the mix is the correct ratio or even considering the substrate.

A good chef has an earned experience of the ingredients, how they react with each other and how they react in different exposures...just like a good plasterer has the same knowledge of the ingredients they use, this is why it p1sses people off on here when we get questions like "how much should I charge for...?" "How do I treat this..?" etc etc

If a chef entered a new kitchen then asked "how do I cook this ...." or "how long shall I leave the fish..?" he would probably get a saucepan thrown at his head.. can you imagine logging on to 'Chefs Forum' and asking..

"Hi my name is Sebastian, I'm a fully qualified chef and I'm opening my own restaurant, can you tell me how much I should be charging for a mixed grill oh and whilst I'm here how do you prepare it ?"







...a bit like @adcar :RpS_wink:

Fookin starving now oli:-(

Fatarm said:

Fookin starving now oli:-(

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grab yerself a TamTam special fish curry :RpS_drool:

Fatarm said:

Tbh there is tons of info out there,thanks to the internet.. loads of forums. Diy not,screwfix forum etc .you tube tutorial vids......lol

now weather that info is right or wrong is a very different thing? Some of the.."tips" and advice ive read on here and elsewhere are a load of shitte Imo...( not the beading 45degree corner thread tho) top advice there lol.if you aint got a clue and some experience then you wouldnt know what to believe...as oli says just because youve read it doesnt mean you can do it.:RpS_thumbup:

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Yep and if I am honest 90% of the tutorial vids on the net or on most forums explaining the job are wrong anyway.

Some comical stuff on YouTube regarding plastering and rendering.

As said it takes years of working with the material to become a master and were learning all the time year after year decade after decade.

I watch the machine render vids and it all looks so easy. But there is more to setting up the machine, knowing how to use it, clean it and maintain it. Without that you are onto a non starter.

New materials and methods are coming onto the market and we need to catch up. Unless you have an opportunity to work with someone who knows and pay you to learn then you have to find the information from somewhere. In the 70's the newest thing to learn was dry lining and dot and dab. But new ideas was hard to sell we was stuck in the mud. Dot and dab only took when BG changed their price structure on Browning and boards.

As for other Forums they are similar. I was on a lock smiths forum now defunct. They told each how to pick certain locks and what tools performed better. It made me realise just how easy locks are to pick with the right tools and knowledge. The forum owner not only sold the tools but manuals and even transparent practice locks.

I am on TalkFord forum and any problem with your Ford someone will know the answer. My Mondeo would't warm up and no local mechacic knew why? Put the question on there and it was a common Mondeo problem (and tdci Transit), there are two thermostats not one and the replacements need to Ford not retrofit.

So it is not only this Forum giving away trade secrets. But I do agree, some hard gained knowledge given away to a complete stranger who might be selfish? I am now not giving away as much so freely but more if want to help that particular person I tend to pm the information rather than let any Tom, Dick or Harry have it. Thanks to the several pm's I have had over the matter and thanks, no offence taken.

The TalkFord Forum has a paid subscription level (which I don't have) but you can get more information for your brass. Maybe an option for this forum?

The way I see it everyone needs a leg up sometimes, and I don't mind handing out advice on rendering and products, I get a lot of pms on here and answer them as I'd like to think if I needed help someone would do the same for me.
It's just the discussing rates /prices that I won't do, it's the race to the bottom.
But as said you can have all the advice you want but theory and practical are different beasts.

I've always been happy to pass on information and tips to anyone that asks. The information isn't mine to keep, it all came from someone over the years.