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I'm in the process of renovating my house and have been brave enough to have a crack at plastering myself which has turned out pretty good! I have an artex ceiling in the bedroom and want to get rid of it. The artex is a lovely wavy fan pattern and pretty deep. Is it practical to plaster over this and will the ceiling sag with a lot of plaster on it?

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Depending on age of house, your ceiling could be tacked up with nails. Adding a bonding coat and a skim finish could add at least 5kg per square meter......be worth reinforcing if your going that way.

why not strip the artex and re-skim? Be easier for a beginner I'd say, less to go wrong.......
 
If it was me doing my own house I'd agree with @Hairybear and take the old ceiling down and re-do it that way
 
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Oh yes, the Aspestos risk! Will cost you about £45 quid and 3 days wait........if your gonna strip it, use a wallpaper steamer, keeps the dust to a minimum.....

I'm no authority tho, just what I'd do in my own home.....where the hse can't get hold of me!
 
Thanks all, trouble is, I don't have a clue how to overboard. I was worried about the weight of the ceiling. House was built in 1930s. I wouldn't !Ind putting the effort in yo get the artex off, found a site that charges 40 for a sample so might go that route.
 
Your ceiling is probably lath and plaster if it's a 30's house. Considering the situation as I see it, I'd get in touch with a pro. It'll be easier, safer, cleaner and probably cheaper in the long run.
if you're struggling with over boarding, I would not even contemplate plastering a ceiling!

Either way, b good to hear how it goes.
 
Thank you. I should probably mention that I'm 4ft 11 and about 7st. No dwarf jpkea please! I'm determined though sand have a lot of ceilings and walls to do so need to do it myself really. I think I !might just get it tested and get rid of the lovely stuff
 
Key word there is normally! Take a claw hammer to the edge of ceiling and find joist centres, put a string line between..., voila! Taking care not to upset the potential aspestos of course!
 
If your worried about the asbestos do bennys way ratha than smashing in to the ceiling on each one .... You may have to at first to get your bearings
 
1) Scrape down any big lumps of artex
2) Find the joists and screw some 38mm drywall screws through artex if you can feel movement
3) Fiber tape over any cracks
4) Bond it with pva (1 part pva/3 parts water) and let it go sticky
5) Apply thin coat of plaster making sure there are NO AIR BUUBLES
6) Apply a second thicker coat and leave it to go off abit
7) Trowel it up to finish

Or you can just find the joists, overboard it and skim it, not good if you want to keep any coving though :)

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Interesting comments about over boarding all the time etc. In my experience, most jobs where artex is involved, generally includes coved ceilings, some with proper cornice work. If I were to advise my customers to overboard artex as my 'default' response, I'd be confident enough to say I'd rarely get work plastering ceilings. Think of the difference in cost to the customer, theoretical.

Re-skim over existing artex; including proper prep, bondit etc = £10

Overboard existing; Additional cost in plasterboard, labour to fit and re cove to match existing rooms maybe.....Oh, and skim the board. £25+.

Don't get me wrong, some guys know what they want and the ceilings are replaced/over boarded however I recon 90% of peeps just want it 'smooth'. Always give option but, the customer is always right...... I will do what they want me to do, which generally means a reskim of the artex.
 
I've over skimmed a fair few ceilings and have had a couple fail on me. One due to nicotine resisting paint and one due to the artex beneath failing and I had reccomended overboard on that one.

I always give the customer an option of boarding if I'm not sure of the artex or if the texture is really heavy.
I explain that il guarantee the job if it's boarded, I won't if I over skimm ( if I'm dubious of the substrate).

At the end of the day it's up to the customer but if I have doubt about a ceiling I'd rather overboard and if the customer is proud of their house they usually agree. If an over skimm is likely to fail I'd rather it fail on someone else.

Yes overboard does increase the price but if an over skimm fails then it's a lot more costly to sort it all out again.

At the end of the day when you over skimm whatever you put on top is only as good as what is beneath.
 
That true , so overboard is quicker and safer option ?


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Take four samples and send to cavendish labourites (google them) will cost £21.60 and they will email you report next day that you then email to customer with quote. If your an employer and your getting your lads to scrape back ceilings without testing it could come back to bite you in the ass big time.


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If your an employer and your getting your lads to scrape back ceilings without testing it could come back to bite you in the ass big time.

Not to mention how much sh1t you'd be in if you expose asbestos dust in a customers house. Even if you exclude the trouble side of it, the idea that there was a risk that what I was doing resulted in someone's kids getting asbestosis a couple of decades down the line wouldn't sit well with my conscience.
 
1) Scrape down any big lumps of artex
2) Find the joists and screw some 38mm drywall screws through artex if you can feel movement
3) Fiber tape over any cracks
4) Bond it with pva (1 part pva/3 parts water) and let it go sticky
5) Apply thin coat of plaster making sure there are NO AIR BUUBLES
6) Apply a second thicker coat and leave it to go off abit
7) Trowel it up to finish

Or you can just find the joists, overboard it and skim it, not good if you want to keep any coving though :)

www.plasterer-doncaster.com

Did you learn that from the pictures you stole from other peoples websites for your YouTube video? :RpS_sneaky:
Including mine :RpS_cursing:
 
If skimming over artex, I put a thicker 1st coat, let that pull in a bit then a tighter coat... might even put 3 coats on... ooo errrr... a good plaster to use instead of multi, is universal one coat... can go 13mm with that bad boy....
 
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